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daveman

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Building a dream machine
« on: January 08, 2020, 01:58:57 pm »

I am having new desktop built for myself to replace my 5 year old computer that is still a beast but is starting to reach old age.

I use it for work, to run MC, and to game. 

would love to hear your thoughts.

CPU       
   Intel Core i9-9900KS 4 GHz 8-Core Processor
   
CPU Cooler       
   NZXT Kraken X72 Liquid CPU Cooler
   
Motherboard       
   Gigabyte Z390 AORUS MASTER ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
   
Memory       
   G.Skill Trident Z Neo 64 GB (4 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory

Storage       
   Western Digital Gold 12 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
   
Storage       
   Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive
   
Video Card       
   EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card
   
Power Supply       
   Corsair 1600 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
   
Optical Drive       
   LG UH12NS30 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer
   
Case Fan       
   Corsair LL120RGB LED (Three Fans With Lighting Node PRO)
   
Case Accessory       
   NZXT Aperture M Card Reader
   
Case       
   NZXT Phantom 630 ATX Full Tower Case
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Re: Building a dream machine
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2020, 02:02:31 pm »

My only question is... why Intel? Unless you've been living under a rock, AMD these days have been absolutely killing it (and Intel's offerings) with the Ryzen 3000 and Threadripper 3000 series of CPUs. Honestly if I was building a brand new high-end PC right now today, I'd actually buy and use an AMD CPU over an Intel CPU for the first time in like 15 years since the Athlon 64 days. For less than the price of that 8 core/16 thread Intel 9900KS CPU, I'd get the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X that has 12 cores/24 threads or even go all gangbusters and get the AMD Ryzen 9 3950X with 16 cores/32 threads (which is DOUBLE what Intel's 9900KS CPU has). The only difference with the Intel is the slightly higher clock speed, but honestly you likely won't notice any difference at all in real world use or even gaming and if you do any tasks like video encoding, Blender, etc. that utilizes multiple cores/threads, the AMD CPU will absolutely murder that Intel chip (even murder the $1,000 high end Intel chips). I'd HIGHLY recommend going AMD Ryzen 3000 or Threadripper 3000 series instead (and if you go for the cheaper but better AMD Ryzen 3000 CPU, reinvest that money saved in higher speed RAM like 3600 or higher because those AMD CPUs perform even better with faster RAM due to the infinity fabric!).

If it wasn't just for the better performance of the AMD CPUs, there's also security to consider here. CPU vulnerabilities keep creeping up for Intel's CPUs, and each one of them causes a performance hit every time they patch a new one. AMD's CPUs are only vulnerable to a couple of them (not Meltdown, etc.), but they're already patched. In addition, AMD's Ryzen 3000 and Threadripper 3000 series of CPUs support PCI Express 4 (aka PCI-E Gen 4) and Intel does not, so in a way you can 'future proof' in that regard. You can have faster NVMe SSDs and whatnot even though that may seem irrelevant right now, give it a year or two when more PCI-E Gen 4 devices are released, then it'll become VERY important. There are some PCI-E Gen 4 NVMe SSDs available right now, with read/write speeds that are mind boggling versus PCI-E Gen 3 NVMe SSDs.

There's honestly no reason I can recommend Intel CPUs right now today, especially expensive ones like that 9900KS when AMD's Ryzen 3000 and Threadripper 3000 series CPUs are just plain better. Better prices, more cores/threads, less vulnerabilities, better performance, etc. Honestly, if couple years ago somebody said that to me (that AMD's CPUs were better than Intel's CPUs), I'd think they were nuts but life's funny like that and AMD is finally on the top again (good for competition, bad when Intel has nothing to answer Ryzen 3000 with and likely won't for another year or two).
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Re: Building a dream machine
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2020, 09:09:35 am »

Yeah I'd either go a 3000 or 4000 (CES) Ryzen if you need high IPC for gaming or a 1st or 2nd gen Threadripper for practically everything else. The amount of power you can now get for a few hundred dollars with last gen Threadrippers is insane. They rival my $4k Skylake Xeons.
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Re: Building a dream machine
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2020, 11:24:03 pm »

new version.  I am sticking with Intel processor.  Any final thoughts before I order it?

CPU       
   Intel Core i9-9900KS 4 GHz 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler       
   Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Motherboard       
   Asus ROG MAXIMUS XI CODE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Memory       
   Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3466 Memory
Memory       
   Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3466 Memory
Storage       
        WESTERN DIGITAL Gold 12TB Enterprise Class Hard Disk Drive
Video Card       
   EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card
Case       
   Thermaltake Core X71 ATX Full Tower Case
Power Supply       
   Corsair 1600 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Optical Drive       
   Asus BW-16D1HT Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer    
Case Fan       
   Corsair iCUE QL120 RGB 41.8 CFM 120 mm Fans
Case Accessory       
   Kingwin KW525-3U3CR USB 3.0 Supports Up to 5 Gbps of Bandwidth Components
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Re: Building a dream machine
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2020, 05:06:36 pm »

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Power Supply       
   Corsair 1600 W 80+ Titanium Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
Isn't this twice the power you need? I would look at Seasonic instead of Corsair. They are typically cheaper and very reliable. I believe Corsair actually re-brands Seasonic for their high end units. EVGA also looks really nice these days but I have no experience with them.

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Optical Drive       
   Asus BW-16D1HT Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer 
I would get LG. I have had trouble ripping with almost every ASUS drive I have owned, always something about region. MakeMKV especially affected. With LG I have had zero issues and also find them to last longer. If you plan on ripping have a look on the MakeMKV forum for "LibreDrive" and "UHD Friendly" drives.

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Case Fan       
   Corsair iCUE QL120 RGB 41.8 CFM 120 mm Fans
You can't go wrong with Noctua
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Re: Building a dream machine
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2020, 01:33:24 am »

The power supply is definitely way overspecced. I would go with 800 at most, even fully OC'ed the CPU will likely top out at 200,  and the GPU won't exceed 300, unless you plan to perhaps add a second GPU at some point, then maybe 1000.
Headroom is nice, but the 1600 just costs way too much (over twice that of a 1000W here), and if you run it at 10-20% load during normal PC use, its efficiency also bottoms out (the efficiency peak is usually at 50%, so aim that at what the PC is going to do most of the time - usually idle or light work).

Everything else is a matter of taste. No SSD though?
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Re: Building a dream machine
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2020, 02:53:43 am »

You might want to consider buying your Asus BluRay drive from a source that sells them as UHD Friendly.

I hear the latest revision of the drive in regular channels has firmware that is no longer UHD friendly.
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Re: Building a dream machine
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2020, 01:51:52 am »

...There's honestly no reason I can recommend Intel CPUs right now today, ...

FWIW, besides having to replace various poor performing AMD machines in the past, I have read various recent DAC/driver bug reports with the AMD machines.  Haven't seen the same issues reported for Intel machines.
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Re: Building a dream machine
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2020, 01:18:19 pm »

A few thoughts:

Agree with others that the 3950X is the way to go -- at least, that's what I just did -- similar performance to the i9900 on single threaded apps and faster on multithreaded ones.

Since you're using this with JRiver, I assume you want a silent machine? The big Noctua NH-D15 or NH-D15S is quieter than a liquid cooler, and moves more than enough air. These things a humongous.

Second the Asus mobo, always solid in my experience.

I would go with G.Skill memory. I've had better experiences with it than other brands -- always overclocks as advertised.

Agree that Noctua case fans would be an excellent choice.

If you want a silent build, I'd go with the Seasonic fanless PSU. 600W which should be enough, with a 700W model about to come out. I've used two of these and they're excellent. Agree you shouldn't overbuild here.

What happened to the 970 EVO plus? It disappeared from your second list. I'd go with the 970 Pro, it's apparently more durable.

Finally, if silent operation is a concern, I'd go with a silent case.

My last build was an i7 7700k and my new one uses the Ryzen, and neither can be heard from a foot away.
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Re: Building a dream machine
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2020, 09:56:30 am »

Regarding the AMD vs Intel assessment - I have been wondering if AMD would be up to the task for JRiver playing UHD video (mainly from harddrive) and doing a number-crunching convolution process (15 paths, 131.000 taps). I know AMD are better at multi-threading, but this job seems to be better with higher clock speeds. Currently, FHD bluray and convolution is running ok on my i7-2600 (from 2012!), but what would be the better choice for UHD?
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Re: Building a dream machine
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2020, 03:04:57 pm »

Regarding the AMD vs Intel assessment - I have been wondering if AMD would be up to the task for JRiver playing UHD video (mainly from harddrive) and doing a number-crunching convolution process (15 paths, 131.000 taps). I know AMD are better at multi-threading, but this job seems to be better with higher clock speeds. Currently, FHD bluray and convolution is running ok on my i7-2600 (from 2012!), but what would be the better choice for UHD?

AMD is practically neck and neck with Intel in single-core performance. UHD playback will be perfectly fine on any modern desktop processor.
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