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[bob]

It's likely that sometime during this cycle the development environment on Mac will need to jump forward to a version of Xcode that will run on newer versions of MacOS because of the hardware we need to build on.

This will mean the end of the ability to run on MacOS versions 10.9 to 10.12 since Xcode 14 no longer supports versions of MacOS < 10.13

[erviv]

Hello Bob, just to be sure I understand what you’re saying, when you say “during this cycle” does this mean that the change will be in one of the one of the revisions of MC 31? If that’s the case then purchasing my usual Master Licence won’t be good for me. I suppose it had to happen sometime. I’ll have to leave my MacBook on MC30.  I suppose I should then just upgrade my Master Licence to an upgrade to a Linux licence for my Rpi’s.

[Hendrik]

I have corrected the information above - the minimum target version of XCode 14 is 10.13, not 10.15.

Unfortunately Apple does not give us much of a choice in the matter. New versions of XCode don't support anything lower anymore. New versions of macOS no longer allow running old versions of XCode, so you can't just "stick" to one version for ever. Its a very aggressive deprecation strategy by Apple.

When the exact switch will be occurring is to be determined, but as bob mentioned above, it will be within MC31 at some point.

[blgentry]

If/when you enter the Mac world, it helps to understand that you must move forward with the environment.  10.12 is 7 years old.  That's old enough for them to decide to leave it behind.  I think that's reasonable. 

I move forward as I see fit.  At some point if it is too much, then I'll buy into a different system.  This is just part of the apple environment.  My mother will get a new Mac fairly soon because her 9 year old Mac no longer gets Safari updates.  Again, I think that's pretty reasonable.  She got an enormous amount of use out of that computer and has never had it break (hardware or software).

Brian.

[erviv]

I am not complaining. I understand that at some point old computers just won’t cut it with updated software. I agree my MacBook is old. It was still a version where you could play CDs, update Ram (now 8Gb)and storage (1Tb) which I have done.  It still works pretty good, but with no new updates to the O/S it is getting left behind and doesn’t get latest security updates, etc. similarity I also recently got my Mom an new ipad as a number of websites wouldn’t function correctly on the older one.
The long and short of it is I don’t know if or when I’ll be getting a new Mac, so thinking about just getting a Linux version, unless it makes more sense to update JRiver to 31 on both my Mac and pi’s, and then stop updating my Mac when a rev of 31 renders it incompatible.
Thoughts?

[bob]

I am not complaining. I understand that at some point old computers just won’t cut it with updated software. I agree my MacBook is old. It was still a version where you could play CDs, update Ram (now 8Gb)and storage (1Tb) which I have done.  It still works pretty good, but with no new updates to the O/S it is getting left behind and doesn’t get latest security updates, etc. similarity I also recently got my Mom an new ipad as a number of websites wouldn’t function correctly on the older one.
The long and short of it is I don’t know if or when I’ll be getting a new Mac, so thinking about just getting a Linux version, unless it makes more sense to update JRiver to 31 on both my Mac and pi’s, and then stop updating my Mac when a rev of 31 renders it incompatible.
Thoughts?

Well, what version of MacOS is it running anyway?

Also, what is the model (system report)? it will be something like
macbook 1,2

[erviv]

It is an early 2011 MacBook Pro 13 inch ( model identifier MacBookPro8,1. It is running macOS High Sierra version  10.13.6.

[Hendrik]

10.13 should continue to work after the swap, or so Apple documentation claims. Its anything lower then 10.13 that'll fall out this time around.

[erviv]

Got it. I was reading 13 and under for some reason. Thanks.

[dorianm]

I am not complaining. I understand that at some point old computers just won’t cut it with updated software. I agree my MacBook is old. It was still a version where you could play CDs, update Ram (now 8Gb)and storage (1Tb) which I have done.  It still works pretty good, but with no new updates to the O/S it is getting left behind and doesn’t get latest security updates, etc. similarity I also recently got my Mom an new ipad as a number of websites wouldn’t function correctly on the older one.
The long and short of it is I don’t know if or when I’ll be getting a new Mac, so thinking about just getting a Linux version, unless it makes more sense to update JRiver to 31 on both my Mac and pi’s, and then stop updating my Mac when a rev of 31 renders it incompatible.
Thoughts?

I'm running 13.4.1 on a MacBook Pro Mid 2012, thanks to OpenCore.  No issues at all. I am also running the same on a MacPro Tower from Mid 2008.

[jcris]

Hello,
It has been quite awhile since my last visit. Now that I've established a decent wifi connection I'm hoping to be more active.
I'm currently using Media Center 29. I would like to update to 31 but it seems an update to my os will be necessary. I'm currently running Sierra 10.12.6 on a late 2012 MacMini. The Mini has a 500gb SSD and 8gbs of ram. Please advise what os upgrade would be best. Catalina? Or?  I don't want to create problems but do want to take full advantage of JRiver improvements.  I'm mostly using the Mini as a music server with some internet surfing
Thanks everyone,
Jcris

[Awesome Donkey]

The minimum is probably 10.13 High Sierra.

[bob]

The minimum is probably 10.13 High Sierra.

Actually currently MC will still run on 10.9. We recommend 10.11. Less than 10.12 will use the older internal browser code when displaying webpages and trackinfos in MC.
This will probably change to 10.13 later in this cycle.

[jcris]

Excellent
Thanks for the quick response

[bob]

Excellent
Thanks for the quick response

Also, since I have a mini exactly the same as yours, just in general, I wouldn't go past Catalina. It gets really slow with MacOS 11.
10.14 is a pretty decent choice IMO. There's nothing wrong with keeping the version you have until the web browser you are using doesn't update any more.
I don't think Firefox updates on 10.12 any more but I'm pretty sure it does on 10.14.
Safari doesn't update
Chrome MAY update on 10.12 I'm not sure.