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ferrarabrainpan

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MC 32 - One Minor Feature Request for next update
« on: February 29, 2024, 07:37:47 pm »

Loving the new upgrade, transitioned perfectly from MC 31 and haven't encountered any bugs. Best software music player out there, consider me a fan for life.

One thing I'd like to see is that when I play a DSD1024 file, I would like the display to read "DSD1024 (16x)" instead of "45.2 MHz" - in other words, making the sample rate designation consistent with all the other DSD rates: DSD64 (1x), DSD128 (2x), etc.

I am happy that the player handles DSD1024 files and passes them on to my DAC at the native resolution via USB bitstreaming.

Thank you, JRiver team for a top notch music player.  :)
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Re: MC 32 - One Minor Feature Request for next update
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2024, 06:50:19 am »

That's odd, because I'm pretty sure DSD1024 support was pretty much rejected by JRiver nearly two years ago and that Media Center doesn't support DSD1024 at all.

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,132802 especially Jim's response here: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,132802.msg920275.html#msg920275

Are you actually sure it's bitstreaming DSD1024 without resampling it? Post a screenshot of your audio path while playing back a DSD1024 file because my guess is it's resampling it or something. In the bitstreaming options for DSD there's no DSD1024 option, only up to DSD512. I actually would be very surprised if it actually supports it and JRiver added support for it quietly unless it's some sort of side effect from some other change.
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Re: MC 32 - One Minor Feature Request for next update
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2024, 11:07:58 am »

Here are sreenshots, showing the dropdown custom bitstreaming menu option to bitstream all DSD sample rates, and the audio path while playing track 1...

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Re: MC 32 - One Minor Feature Request for next update
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2024, 02:10:36 pm »

Huh. Well I'll be dipped, that does indeed appear to be DSD1024 being bitstreamed.

I'm fairly sure that support for DSD1024 likely wasn't intentionally added because it was never added to any of the MC release notes and I've never seen Matt, Hendrik, Bob or Jim mention it at all (other than a couple years ago where they rejected the notion of it). If I had to guess with a total shot in the dark guess, maybe there was a general change in how bitstreaming works in MC (I seem to recall Bob or someone at some point within the last few months mentioning some sort of change done to bitstreaming) that perhaps had the side effect of allowing DSD1024 bitstreaming to 'work'. Perhaps the most logical reason is when it's set to bitstream all DSD sample rates it literally does just that, it just tries to send whatever DSD bitstreamed as-is with no limit at all, even if it's above DSD512, which in honesty *could* be considered a bug if that's the case. Unless Jim, Matt, Hendrik or Bob say otherwise, I actually don't they intended for DSD1024 bitstreaming to work in MC. Does it work in the last build of MC31? I wonder when it started to work...

Kinda reminds me how you can get MQA working through MC even though it doesn't support it at all as long as you use no DSP whatsoever and have volume at 100%.
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Re: MC 32 - One Minor Feature Request for next update
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2024, 09:09:30 pm »

Since the 'custom' dropdown menu option to 'bitstream all DSD sample rates' is there, it must be to allow rates above DSD512, or it would not have the option to do so. In fact, it did work with MC31, and I am glad it continues to work in MC32. It's not really a functional issue if it shows DSD1024 as 45.2 MHz, but I suppose it would be a simple matter to configure it so it translates that figure to DSD1024. I do recall the discussion where ultra high sample rates were rejected. Yet, it works. Maybe it was a case of not permitting oversampling to anything above DSD512. I am not doing any oversampling, I simply appreciate that the program can bitstream any DSD file at its native resolution. And the display on my DAC indeed confirms that the stream is DSD1024.

I am not claiming that I can hear an audible improvement with DSD1024 compared to DSD512, but it's cool that JRiver allows me to play files of the maximum sampling rates that my DAC supports.
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Re: MC 32 - One Minor Feature Request for next update
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2024, 10:26:15 pm »

One thing I'd like to see is that when I play a DSD1024 file, I would like the display to read "DSD1024 (16x)" instead of "45.2 MHz" - in other words, making the sample rate designation consistent with all the other DSD rates: DSD64 (1x), DSD128 (2x), etc.

I see today that my feature request has been implemented. Thank You Very Much!  :)
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