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[davewave]

About three days ago actual Windows 11 Co-Pilot PCs using Qualcomm chipsets shipped out in the Wild.

I am wondering if anybody has tested JRiver with these machines and has any observations?   

Clearly I am hoping to hear all works just great.   If not, I suppose it would be helpful to know JRiver's thoughts.

[marko]

One of the flagship features it’ll power is “Recall,” which is supposed to use AI to create a searchable “photographic memory” of everything you’ve done and seen on your PC.

Source: The Verge

Nah. I'm beginning to think that the youth of today will live to regret this current obsession with AI. I just fail to see any way this can end well for the 'little people' of the world. It's (IMO) an open goal for abuse and misinformation.

[JimH]

I agree.  We already live in a distortion of reality.  We don't know if what we read or see can be trusted.

[EnglishTiger]

After seeing some of the howler's Co-Pilot in Win 11 has come up with I can't help wondering if AI is the acronym for Absolute Ignorance similar to the level of unintelligence, or should that be stupidity, both Apple and Microsoft often Display.

[Hendrik]

Source: The Verge

Nah. I'm beginning to think that the youth of today will live to regret this current obsession with AI. I just fail to see any way this can end well for the 'little people' of the world. It's (IMO) an open goal for abuse and misinformation.

The "Recall" feature was actually recalled over security concerns. Pun intended.

[davewave]

These responses are truly off topic and unhelpful.   The question was not whether you care about these machines; it was whether they work well with JRiver.

[JimH]

We're just trying to entertain ourselves and keep your thread alive until somebody who knows something pipes up.

[JimH]

Microsoft Announcement:  https://blogs.windows.com/devices/2024/06/18/top-things-to-know-about-copilot-pcs-from-microsoft-surface-available-today-at-microsoft-com/

[JimH]

Again, from Microsoft:  https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2024/05/20/introducing-copilot-pcs/#:~:text=The%20first%20Copilot%2B%20PCs%20will,unrivaled%20performance%20and%20battery%20efficiency.

Not likely to run JRiver Media Center.

"Windows now has the best implementation of apps on the fastest chip, starting with Qualcomm. We now offer more native Arm64 experiences than ever before, including our fastest implementation of Microsoft 365 apps like Teams, PowerPoint, Outlook, Word..."

"New Copilot+ PCs from the biggest brands available starting June 18:

Acer: Acer’s Swift 14 AI 2.5K touchscreen enables you to draw and edit your vision with greater accuracy and with color-accurate imagery. Launch and discover AI-enhanced features, like Acer PurifiedVoice 2.0 and Purified View, with a touch of the dedicated AcerSense button.

ASUS: The ASUS Vivobook S 15 is a powerful device that brings AI experiences to life with its Snapdragon X Elite Platform and built-in Qualcomm® AI. It boasts 40+ NPU TOPS, a dual-fan cooling system, and up to 1 TB of storage. Next-gen AI enhancements include Windows Studio effects v2 and ASUS AiSense camera, with presence-detection capabilities for Adaptive Dimming and Lock. Built for portability, it has an ultra-slim and light all-metal design, a high-capacity battery, and premium styling with a single-zone RGB backlit keyboard.

Dell: Dell is launching five new Copilot+ PCs, including the XPS 13, Inspiron 14 Plus, Inspiron 14, Latitude 7455, and Latitude 5455, offering a range of consumer and commercial options that deliver groundbreaking battery life and unique AI experiences. The XPS 13 is powered by Snapdragon X Elite processors and features a premium, futuristic design, while the Latitude 7455 boasts a stunning QHD+ display and quad speakers with AI noise reduction. The Inspiron14 and Inspiron 14 Plus feature a Snapdragon X Plus 1and are crafted with lightweight, low carbon aluminum and are energy efficient with EPEAT Gold rating.

HP: HP’s OmniBook X AI PC and HP EliteBook Ultra G1q AI PC with Snapdragon X Elite are slim and sleek designs, delivering advanced performance and mobility for a more personalized computing experience. Features include long-lasting battery life and AI-powered productivity tools, such as real-time transcription and meeting summaries. A 5MP camera with automatic framing and eye focus is supported by Poly Studio’s crystal-clear audio for enhanced virtual interactions.

Lenovo: Lenovo is launching two AI PCs: one built for consumers, Yoga Slim 7x, and one for commercial, ThinkPad T14s Gen 6. The Yoga Slim 7x brings efficiency for creatives, featuring a 14.5” touchscreen with 3K Dolby Vision and optimized power for 3D rendering and video editing. The T14s Gen 6 brings enterprise-level experiences and AI performance to your work tasks, with features including a webcam privacy shutter, Wi-Fi 7 connectivity and up to 64GB RAM.

Samsung: Samsung’s new Galaxy Book4 Edge is ultra-thin and light, with a 3K resolution, Dynamic AMOLED 2X display and Wi-Fi 7 connectivity. It has a long-lasting battery that provides up to 22 hours of video playback, making it perfect for work or entertainment on the go.

[JimH]

The CPU's are from Qualcomm's Snapdragon line.  These are ARM based chips.

CNet article:  https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/qualcomm-believes-ai-will-change-pc-starting-with-its-chips/

[davewave]

All of the information that was posted was nice, but is already out there in the wild.   

Windows on ARM runs most apps, not just those optimized for ARM. 

However, it appears that a few apps will  not run.   I saw a recent review, thinking it was Thurott, stating that Corel Draw did not work.

I am just trying to figure out, based on real world experience, what the situation might be with JRiver.   My guess is that it is too early to tell, but some of the people here are testing machines out for a living or are early adopters.  I figure somebody like that might know.   

[Awesome Donkey]

Microsoft is trying to have their Apple Silicon and Rosetta 2 moment after failing multiple times in the past. I actually would be surprised if the base Media Center app didn't run through the x86 emulation built-in Windows 11 running on a Snapdragon X chip. Where it'd likely go bad is anything to do with drivers, e.g. the WDM driver. Another guess would be drivers for DACs like ASIO drivers could be a problem. Then if the base app does run how well does it run? There's going to be a performance hit, the question is how much of one.

I don't have much hope in the short term in regards to the viability of these Windows-on-ARM PCs, at least for the first year or so. Unlike Apple, Microsoft isn't dropping x86 support completely and forcing everyone to either use x86 emulation (like Rosetta 2) or convert their apps to ARM. It's still too early to tell if Qualcomm overhyped the performance of the Snapdragon X chips, gotta see some more third-party benchmarks of different machines running different CPUs. I'd actually recommend holding off on jumping to Windows-on-ARM PCs until they have time to work out the bugs and hopefully improve things like drivers. I don't think the transition is going to be as quick or smooth as it was for Apple.

Maybe in a few years.

[eve]

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,138995.0.html

[davewave]

Eventually there will be JRiver customers that actually can test the situation and report back.   Until then we are just waving our arms hoping that it means something.

[eve]

Eventually there will be JRiver customers that actually can test the situation and report back.   Until then we are just waving our arms hoping that it means something.

Whose gonna pull the trigger? I might legitimately have to at some point so I would obviously give it a go. Would be *fantastic* if Premiere Pro and Photoshop worked on them natively (Adobe says it's happening), I've pushed  a few Windows guys over to the Apple Silicon macbooks for their on the go editing but, if this panned out I would have a legit alternative. It's annoying to tell guys 'use this OS (MacOS) that I don't really want to do support on because you only have to do like a handful of things on it', you know what I mean?