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[ssebs]

Hi,
I'm evaluating the switch from windows to linux.
I use a small netbook for JRiver (audio only, just for listening to my local files). On windows 10, it runs smoothly, even with a VST plugin doing parametric equalization for room correction.

I'm almost new to linux (but I did already severaly attempts to fix the issue since I know about software programing).

I installed mint 22.1 + using xfce (since I saw it's supposed to be a very lightweight interface).

I use the Theater View for simple navigation (well, thus I have already limitations in linux compared to windows, because I use a MCE IR remote... running fine on windows, but much more basic keys working only on linux, that's another story  )

An issue is that the navigation is muuuuch slower than on windows. I use a folder navigation, with the view quite simple: only 1 line per folder (so there are really not many lines and folders thumbnails to display).
When going up/down, the kind of animated change (supposed to be a smooth change for the selected line) is slow and thus shows not nice artifacts (like remanence, it's tiring for my brain...).

The option is JRVR, I tried with or without hardware acceleration, it's same issue. Same also with legacy opengl.

The skin is Obsidian. I tried with another view, and also setting to 100% the zoom (it was bigger than this), issue remains.

-> Is this a known issue (compared to windows version)?
Should I try another distribution, is there here something different for performance in the kernel, apart from xfce that would allow better display performance?

Regarding audio, it's running fine (usb dac), I added also a vst for parametric equalization, the processor is running with it at less than 10% (and the task manager itself is taking some %...), so the cpu is far to be overloaded (of course when I'm in theater view, since it's full screen, I cannot check in real time if there are spikes when navigating)

Thanks in advance 

[mattkhan]

Theatre view uses the GPU so I would guess a driver issue would be one thing to check

[Awesome Donkey]

Agreed, depending on the GPU and the driver used, it could be a factor in such things with Theater View and MC in general on Linux.

[ssebs]

Thanks,
Some news:
It's an Acer Aspire E3-112.
the system info tell that the cpu is intel celeron N2840, and for gpu: graphics intel Atom Z36xxx/Z37xxx Series
the gpu driver seems to be "Acer driver i915"

I started again in windows (I installed mint from usb key created with Rufus, and dual boot).
In fact when navigating with step of 1 line, I have the same "not nice/smooth" display in windows jriver version (I have licence for 29).
So it's ok, it's not linked to linux. I was not having the issue on windows, because with the remote control, I was navigating first with page up/down driven keys, so I didn't notice the effect.

But now I would need help regarding linux: I went once in the UEFI bios, from startup menu (before booting on windows).
I'm almost sure I exited without saving changes, but now it always directly boot in windows, I lost the grub menu.
If I go back in the UEFI bios, there's no boot option related to grub.
Is there a way to get again the grub menu/boot, without reinstalling mint again?
Now because of this I'm stuck in investigating how JRiver goes on linux with this netbook.

[Awesome Donkey]

The Acer Aspire E3-112 is on the low end side both CPU and GPU-wise, but you might try running the Benchmark from the Help menu and posting the results here (on both Windows and Linux if possible to compare), but I'm not expecting too much and the performance may be as good as it's going to get on that hardware.

Trying to install and use Windows and Linux on the same machine is tricky, both tend to override the bootloader of the other if they're installed on the same drive, so it's hard to get them to play nice with each other in a dual boot setup. Windows in particular is pretty bad about this. Personally, on my desktop I keep Windows and Linux installed on separate drives, which if I have to install/reinstall an OS, I completely disconnect the drive with the other OS so the one I'm installing/reinstalling don't mess with the other OS' bootloader. Trying to fix the other OS' bootloader once another OS install messes with it is NOT fun.

[ssebs]

The Acer Aspire E3-112 is on the low end side both CPU and GPU-wise, but you might try running the Benchmark from the Help menu and posting the results here (on both Windows and Linux if possible to compare), but I'm not expecting too much and the performance may be as good as it's going to get on that hardware.

Trying to install and use Windows and Linux on the same machine is tricky, both tend to override the bootloader of the other if they're installed on the same drive, so it's hard to get them to play nice with each other in a dual boot setup. Windows in particular is pretty bad about this. Personally, on my desktop I keep Windows and Linux installed on separate drives, which if I have to install/reinstall an OS, I completely disconnect the drive with the other OS so the one I'm installing/reinstalling don't mess with the other OS' bootloader. Trying to fix the other OS' bootloader once another OS install messes with it is NOT fun.

Yes it's really low-end machine.
The odd thing is that JRiver seems to be working much better on windows than linux on this machine...
And now it's a nightmare, I lost the touchpad on windows (which is the only os booting), so in the end I broke a working machine... And stupidly I didn't do a full backup before starting these tests   :'(
Now I understand why people tell that linux is for very patient nerds, I'm already seeing this as an horrible nightmare.
Now I need to wait for ages that this machine, that I didn't update since months, do all the latest windows update to check in the end if I can get the touchpad working again...

[atreides]

I used JRiver extensively on a high end Windows then Linux PC.  I found that JRiver runs better on Windows than Linux.

[Awesome Donkey]

Well, try running the benchmark on both and see what the results are. For me, indeed, MC on Windows is faster (and performs better) than MC on Linux. It'll all depend on hardware and CPU/GPU being used, of course.

Benchmarks taken on Windows 11 and Ubuntu 24.10 on the same machine with the same higher end hardware:

Windows:




Ubuntu:



Over a 2,000 point difference.

[EnglishTiger]

If you want real performance then switch to using an off the shelf M4 or M4Pro Mac-Mini

Apple Mac mini with M4 Pro chip with 12 core CPU, 16 core GPU, 24GB Unified Memory and 512 GB SSD

=== Running Benchmarks (please do not interrupt) ===

Running 'Math' benchmark...
    Single-threaded integer math... 1.367 seconds
    Single-threaded floating point math... 1.804 seconds
    Multi-threaded integer math... 0.302 seconds
    Multi-threaded mixed math... 0.467 seconds
Score: 4822

Running 'Image' benchmark...
    Image creation / destruction... 0.266 seconds
    Flood filling... 0.078 seconds
    Direct copying... 0.185 seconds
    Small renders... 0.252 seconds
    Bilinear rendering... 0.154 seconds
    Bicubic rendering... 0.138 seconds
Score: 20514

Running 'Database' benchmark...
    Create database... 0.028 seconds
    Populate database... 0.330 seconds
    Save database... 0.104 seconds
    Reload database... 0.137 seconds
    Search database... 0.383 seconds
    Sort database... 0.271 seconds
    Group database... 0.312 seconds
Score: 13737

JRMark (version 33.0.30 64 bit): 13024

[atreides]

Thanks for sharing those benchmarks, that is interesting.

My issues with JRiver on Linux include other things that I don't think are benchmark related such as weird windowing.

[Awesome Donkey]

Stuff like that is going to depend on the desktop environment being used, GPU being used (and maybe drivers like Mesa/Nouveav/proprietary drivers/etc.), if using X11 or Wayland is being used (MC doesn't support Wayland but mostly works with it through XWayland), etc. It's going to be different than on Windows (or macOS for that matter).

[mattkhan]

My issues with JRiver on Linux include other things that I don't think are benchmark related such as weird windowing.

Those are long-standing issues, I am not sure whether there is a standard current distro with which MC plays nicely (as in download current stable version of that distro and install it using defaults)

[atreides]

I decided that that it works at all on Linux is better than a lot of softwares developed on Window will do for me.  So I use it, pay for it, and appreciate that it exists for Linux.