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[Manni]

I've reported this issue with MC 31 almost two years ago, it has been confirmed at the time by TheShoe (thanks again!) but I haven't heard back from the devs since.

Here is a link to the original thread: https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,136787.0.html

Here is a short list of consolidated titles with this issue, but there are many, many more (I'll update the list regularly as I come accross unsupported titles):

[EDITED 28-Feb-25]
Deep Impact (4K UHD Bluray UK): plays the Paramount intro then stuck on blue screen.
The Truman Show (4K UHD Bluray UK): plays the Paramount intro then stuck on blue screen.
The Italian Job (2003) (4K UHD Bluray UK): plays the Paramount intro then stuck on blue screen.
Double Jeopardy (4K UHD Bluray UK): plays the Paramount intro then stuck on blue screen.
48 Hours (4K UHD Bluray UK): plays the Paramount intro then stuck on language choice blue screen.
Another 48 Hours (4K UHD Bluray UK): plays the Paramount intro then stuck on language choice blue screen.
Election (4K UHD Bluray UK): plays the Paramount intro then stuck on language choice blue screen.
Ghost (4K UHD Bluray UK): plays the Paramount intro then stuck on language choice blue screen.
Beverley Hills Cop 2 (4K UHD Bluray UK): plays the Paramount intro then stuck on language choice blue screen (menu only partially shown).
Beverley Hills Cop 3 (4K UHD Bluray UK): plays the Paramount intro then stuck on language choice blue screen (blue screen, no menu shown)

It doesn't matter how you rip the titles (AnyDVD, makeMKV, xReveal), the issue is always present, so this is not a ripping issue. I rip to folders for compatibility with the Oppo network playback, but I expect the issue will be the same when ripping to ISO.

I've also tested playing the original disc with the three Berveley Hills Cop movies, and I got the same results: I plays fine, II and III don't play with JRiver.

Switching to main movie playback plays the main title, but I use JRiver for a reason, and it's to play full menus as I need them for various reasons (primarily access to bonus features,  automatic selection during the rip of the correct forced subtitles, correct handling of language-related seamless branching and support for multiple versions of the title without doubling the storage space).

As the issue is still present in MC33, and on more and more Paramount titles, and as bumping the old thread didn't help, I thought I'd start a new thread to see if we could make any improvements.

Hendrik (or other devs), if you don't have any of these titles, please give me a list of the Parammount titles you have, and I can check which one(s) cause the issue with JRiver and not with other players (Oppo, Dune etc).  I'm also happy to provide the disc structure of a couple of examples (full disk without the main movie) so you can give it a try

AFAIK, these titles are handled fine by all UHD Bluray players and by PowerDVD (licensed software player) and with the Oppo (licenced hardware player), but they are also handled by the Dune players (unlicensed hardware player), so it is possible for a non-licensed player to handle them.

It would be great if a dev could have a look.

Thanks!

[jkauff]

Just a guess, but Paramount might be using a non-standard implementation of Java for the menu display.

[Awesome Donkey]

I seem to recall Kodi also has issues with Paramount BD discs like this too, so it may not be strictly a MC issue.

[Manni]

I seem to recall Kodi also has issues with Paramount BD discs like this too, so it may not be strictly a MC issue.

As I mentioned in the OP, it's not strictly a JRiver MC issue as other unlicensed software players have issues with these Paramount titles (I mentioned VLC) but both licensed software players (PowerDVD) and unlicensed hardware players (Dune) are able to play these fine, so it's definitely do-able, so it would be nice if MC could handle these, as we're talking about dozens if not hundreds of titles that are not supported due to this single issue, so resolving it would immediately rise MC's bd menu support from 80% to 95-99% of titles.

This is the only issue that I find over dozens and dozens of titles, so unlike supporting one single title for a specific issue, this would be beneficial for many, many titles (hence many, many users).

[TheShoe]

Confirmed it still occurs for me as well.  Haven't watched those movies in a while.

For these titles, I continue to create a particle to the correct MPLS file, but of course no full menu.

this will handle subtitles, audio tracks, seamless branching.

oddly enough many other paramount titles work fine.

[Manni]

Confirmed it still occurs for me as well.  Haven't watched those movies in a while.

For these titles, I continue to create a particle to the correct MPLS file, but of course no full menu.

this will handle subtitles, audio tracks, seamless branching.

oddly enough many other paramount titles work fine.

Thanks for confirming it still occurs for you, and for reminding other users of a partial workaround. It doesn't help if you want full menus (for example to access bonus content) or if you use JRiver MC as an external player, as I do.

I've added two new titles to the list of Paramount titles that don't support full menus with JRiver in the first post: Beverley Hills Cop II (menu only partially shown) and III (blue screen). Like all the other reported titles, these menus play fine with the Dune or Oppo Players.

[Hendrik]

I'll try to look into these, but as before there is no guarantee that it can be fixed, as it might as well be some form of copy protection that detects running in a certain environment, or something like that.

[Manni]

I'll try to look into these, but as before there is no guarantee that it can be fixed, as it might as well be some form of stupid copy protection that detects running in a certain environment, or something like that.

Thanks Hendrik, much appreciated, and yes of course I understand that there is no guarantee.

The fact that these work with the Dune player, shows that an unlicensed player can deal with these, but of course it's not the same environment.

It is definitely linked to the language menu, and it seems to happen more often when the language menu is very long, though I haven't done any scientifict test regarding that.

If you don't have any of the titles, please let me know and I'll send you a few samples of the disc structure so you can reproduce. I can also send a few paramount titles that are working if you'd like to compare working language menus vs not working ones.

[Manni]

Thanks Hendrik, much appreciated, and yes of course I understand that there is no guarantee.

The fact that these work with the Dune player, shows that an unlicensed player can deal with these, but of course it's not the same environment.

It is definitely linked to the language menu, and it seems to happen more often when the language menu is very long, though I haven't done any scientifict test regarding that.

If you don't have any of the titles, please let me know and I'll send you a few samples of the disc structure so you can reproduce. I can also send a few paramount titles that are working if you'd like to compare working language menus vs not working ones.

I'd say that about 25% of my Paramount titles are affected, and that's the only "global" issue, i.e. not linked to a specific title or protection, so if you could find a way to fix these it would greatly reduce the number of discs that don't play with full menus in MC.