Topic: Plugin : mp3PRO ? (Read 8395 times)

Vermaje · « **on:** October 29, 2002, 08:05:26 am »

Dear Nicolas Socrate,

:-[ When do you give the MP3PRO technology to MJ8 ?

(Good for Music ::) and Better for storage ;D !!)

Thanks for your replies !

KingSparta · « **Reply #1 on:** October 29, 2002, 08:10:31 am »

Not In The Near Future.

Vermaje · « **Reply #2 on:** October 29, 2002, 08:18:55 am »

... and why ?

When or where is your The "near" ? ?

?

xen-uno · « **Reply #3 on:** October 29, 2002, 08:22:48 am »

>>When do you give the MP3PRO technology to MJ8 ?

Ogg is your answer....It's sounds as good or better than MP3Pro at low bit rates (and MUCH better at high) and file sizes are similiar.

To use MP3Pro in MJ you need:
MP3Pro external encoder
WinAmp 2.xx MP3Pro playback plug-in

Don't know if either exist.

Xenno

KingSparta · « **Reply #4 on:** October 29, 2002, 09:46:43 am »

>> And Why?

Answered here, by JimH CEO

http://www.musicex.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Other_Plugins;action=display;num=1035473929

Vermaje · « **Reply #5 on:** October 30, 2002, 08:30:34 am »

Thank you !

I have the plugin in-mp3PRO.dll de winamp 281.

This plugin DECODE.

And I have dbpowerAMP for ENCODER... in WAVE, and in mp3PRO !!!

It's long, long....

MJ8 do'nt play, correctly, the files converted... :-/

I will use Ogg...

Vermaje · « **Reply #6 on:** November 02, 2002, 12:25:03 am »

I Have made test with Ogg Vorbis...

I Have the Piano Concerto No 2, Op.18.

The length of the first movement "Moderato" is 11 minutes and 31 seconds.

1°) converted in Wave (44100Hz Stéréo Linear PCM) : 119 143 Ko !

2°) converted in Ogg Vorbis (between medium and extra quality) : 15 346 Ko !

3°) converted in MP3 (147 Kbs VBR) : 12 486 Ko !

4°) converted in mp3PRO (44100 Hz - maxi stereo and maxi quality) : 5 405 Ko !

==> Quality of music : Ogg Vorbis = mp3PRO
==> Capacity of Storage : mp3Pro is the best of the bests !!!

Sorry .... but MP3PRO must be in MJ8.

Vermaje · « **Reply #7 on:** November 02, 2002, 02:00:32 am »

... concerto No2 de ... Rachmaninov, of course !

ChicoSelfs · « **Reply #8 on:** November 02, 2002, 11:29:28 am »

There was a plugin of MP3Pro to MJ 8 based on the plugin to Winamp but don't know were that is now

Vermaje · « **Reply #9 on:** November 02, 2002, 12:12:54 pm »

The Plugin of Winamp (in_mp3PRo.dll) is a DECODER, not an ENCODER !

.

In MJ8, this plugin is available, but he forbids all changes in Tags !

Sorry, all the mp3PRo technology (encode and decode) must be in MJ8 and/or MJ9....

!

Garfunkle · « **Reply #10 on:** November 02, 2002, 03:09:20 pm »

Just out of curiosity, what is the different between mp3Pro and MPEGplus (which is supported by MJ)?

~ Adam ~

Vermaje · « **Reply #11 on:** November 02, 2002, 09:39:08 pm »

With mp3PRO, the sound of my musical traks has the same quality as MPEG, but this tracks are more "light" :

For exemple, the same track :

With WAVE => 119 143 Ko

With OGG => 15 346 Ko

With Mpeg => 12 486 Ko

With mp3PRO => 5 405 Ko

Ok ?

Jean-Marc

Vermaje · « **Reply #12 on:** November 02, 2002, 09:44:56 pm »

For more information :

http://www.mp3prozone.com/basics.htm

Jean-Marc

jeanbalully · « **Reply #13 on:** November 03, 2002, 04:20:34 pm »

You don't need a mp3pro plug-in, but a good (?) headphone.
Since why a mp3pro@64 kb/s sound as good as a PCM file extracted from CD ?

mp3pro is maybe the best low bitrate at 64 kb/s - for classical music, sure it is. Nevertheless quality is really bad at this 1/22 ratio. You don't hear any difference ? OK... But in two month, maybe one year, you will find your whole encodings good for one thing : the thrashcan.

PS :

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concerto No2 de ... Rachmaninov, of course

Are you french ?

rocketsauce · « **Reply #14 on:** November 03, 2002, 10:38:37 pm »

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what is the different between mp3Pro and MPEGplus

If I remember correctly, MPEGplus is the old name for MPC.

Rob

Vermaje · « **Reply #15 on:** November 04, 2002, 06:58:32 am »

Yes I am french

and I am a fan of classical music.

I have more 2000 tracks on my hard Disk... (10 GIGA / 20 GIGA

)

mp3PRO is, for me, the "nec plus ultra" : good sound, light and little files !

Jean-Marc.

Vermaje · « **Reply #16 on:** November 04, 2002, 07:01:16 am »

Exact.

MPEG makes files *.MPC

Jean-Marc

jeanbalully · « **Reply #17 on:** November 04, 2002, 07:51:27 am »

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Yes I am french and I am a fan of classical music.

I'm french too

and crazy about classical music. 50 Gigs of mpc, over 1200 CDs

I give you some link, in order, maybe, to convince you to use a better format than mp3pro, not « audiophile » at all.

Guide des formats audio + liens
Guide du format Musepack (mpc)
MPC - AAC - OGG à haut débit d'encodage [test]

Vermaje · « **Reply #18 on:** November 04, 2002, 08:08:04 am »

I have made one test about all this formats on "Ein deutches Requiem" of Brahms. (and on the "Piano Concerto n°2" of Rachmaninov)

In Wave = Extra quality
In Mp3 = Medium quality
In Mpeg = between Medium and Extra quality
In Ogg Vorbis = betrween Medium and Extra quality
In mp3PRO = Extra quality

But, I used a good decoder mp3PRO. It was very "audiophile" with mp3Pro, sure !

Jean-Marc

BBommarito · « **Reply #19 on:** November 05, 2002, 02:37:09 am »

MP3Pro is nice, if all you want to listen to it on is the computer, otherwise, there is very few players that support it, and there is one reason behind that: Cost.

MP3Pro is a proprietary (SP?) format, that's even worse, in terms of licensing, than MP3. The cost is outrageous, as already mentioned in other posts, and thus the cost of the software, and the hardware would have to go up to make up for the cost of the license. Plus, in this day and time, disk space is so cheap that you don't necessairly have to squeeze every last bit out of the music.

jeanbalully · « **Reply #20 on:** November 05, 2002, 10:02:16 am »

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I have made one test about all this formats on "Ein deutches Requiem" of Brahms. (and on the "Piano Concerto n°2" of Rachmaninov)

Try harpsichord to understand how bad the mp3pro is, even with a good decoder.

ChicoSelfs · « **Reply #21 on:** November 05, 2002, 02:10:50 pm »

MP3PRO uses SBR to make high frequences don't want want that in my precious files i'm stick with APE and MPC

Influxor · « **Reply #22 on:** November 05, 2002, 11:21:49 pm »

so i take this at this point: it is a cost of software licenses versus cost of hardware issue.

hardware (diskspace) right now is cheaper than the cost of converting all software (and hardware such as mini-players) to convert to pro.

therefore i choose a VBR standard MP3 highest quality 192 ~320k for my 17,000+ files... still cheaper than asking companys to upgrade to mp3 pro...

k so i don't like Thomson..they are greedy i think

Vermaje · « **Reply #23 on:** November 06, 2002, 07:05:02 am »

Ok, OK, I understand,

, I go buy MusicMatch !

ate logo ... adios ... good by !

ChicoSelfs · « **Reply #24 on:** November 06, 2002, 09:05:15 am »

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Ok, OK, I understand, , I go buy MusicMatch !

ate logo ... adios ... good by !

That's your problem not ours

xen-uno · « **Reply #25 on:** November 06, 2002, 10:25:58 am »

I have a real hard time believing that mp3pro sounds better than Ogg when the average bitrate's are close to each other. I haven't done a comparison personally between the 2 (don't need to...I like steak and poached oggs any time of the day). I'll grant you that mp3pro probably sounds as good at low bitrates, but not better. So you should be able to drop the ogg quality (in terms of low, normal, and high...not medium and extra) to get the file sizes down.

Xenno

jeanbalully · « **Reply #26 on:** November 06, 2002, 12:28:04 pm »

I compared this summer ogg vorbis to mp3pro VBR (codec bundled with CoolEdit 2), at the lower quality : -q0 for vorbis (-1 wasn't built in the first release of oggenc 1.0) and VBR qual-10 HQ for mp3pro.

I did ABX test on many samples (classical one, with a wide dynamic range, and not overcompressed sound) : mp3pro was clearly the winner at those low bitrates (under 64 kb/s : ogg -q0 turn around 50-55 with classical material). A winner, but of course, sound was really poor : distorsion, poor stereo, pre-echo. Vorbis add to this an electronic noise, clearly audible at low volume (frequent with classical music).

At higher bitrate (-q2, so 80 kb/s with classical), vorbis take the advantage, but difference is small. Over -q2, vorbis beat obviously mp3pro...

But it seems that with non-classical materiel, mp3pro is much closer to vorbis. Maybe under this one... I don't test the codec at low bitrate with metal or techno music.

Vermaje · « **Reply #27 on:** November 08, 2002, 12:50:25 am »

Please, connect on :

http://www.codingtechnologies.com/technology/sbr.htm

jeanbalully · « **Reply #28 on:** November 08, 2002, 12:52:02 pm »

Please, connect on Jesuisunmoutonetjecroistoutcequonmedit.com, or simply on : http://www.ff123.net/abchr/abchr.html

JimH · « **Reply #29 on:** November 08, 2002, 01:03:48 pm »

ImasheepandIbelievealltheytellme.com?

Vermaje · « **Reply #30 on:** November 08, 2002, 09:12:19 pm »

Mon Cher Pied Tendre,

J River me parle du coût prohibitif de la licence mp3PRO, alors que :

Winamp, dont je Jukebox est gratuit, fournit, en prime, le plugin décodeur mp3Pro,

Musicmatch, dont le jukebox est doté de l'encodeur et du décodeur mp3PRO est vendu à un prix similaire à celui de MJ8...

Pour le reste, je n'ai peut être pas l'oreille d'un très grand musicologue, mais pour les comparaisons que j'ai faites, j'en reste à ce que j'ai écrit.

ps : merci

pour ton lien internet, que je ne connaissais pas.

jeanbalully · « **Reply #31 on:** November 09, 2002, 02:25:41 am »

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ImasheepandIbelievealltheytellme.com?

Yes, thats it, exactly. Sorry for the french langage.

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Mon Cher Pied Tendre,

J River me parle du coût prohibitif de la licence mp3PRO, alors que :

Winamp, dont je Jukebox est gratuit, fournit, en prime, le plugin décodeur mp3Pro,

Musicmatch, dont le jukebox est doté de l'encodeur et du décodeur mp3PRO est vendu à un prix similaire à celui de MJ8...

Pour le reste, je n'ai peut être pas l'oreille d'un très grand musicologue, mais pour les comparaisons que j'ai faites, j'en reste à ce que j'ai écrit.

ps : merci pour ton lien internet, que je ne connaissais pas.

The plug-in for winamp was developped by Thomson, not by Peter Pawlowski or other Nullsoft developper. It was a gift, in order to popularize the new format.

For Musicmatch, you are maybe right : I don't know how they can maintain the same price and include an expensive new technologie like mp3pro.

For your comparison, my only goal is for you : avoid a disappointment, and reripp all you CDs with a better quality. I will not insiston this point.

Nice music

Vermaje · « **Reply #32 on:** November 09, 2002, 03:19:10 am »

Ok.
This history is finished.

JimH · « **Reply #33 on:** November 09, 2002, 12:42:33 pm »

Le Thomson sont les moutons noirs -- voleurs de la nuit.

Si tu cherche qualite, tu doit essayer APE/Monkeys Audio. C'est parfait, le son precis du CD.

zevele10 · « **Reply #34 on:** November 09, 2002, 01:45:06 pm »

Thompson is the owner at more than 50% of musicmatch.
maintenant vous comprenez?
I tend to think that mp3pro sounds better than some of my old 78 rpm,but i am still not really sure about it

But ,il faut de tout pour faire un monde.

JimH · « **Reply #35 on:** November 09, 2002, 02:08:25 pm »

z,
I have never heard the 50% figure, but it's possible. Intel also invested money in MusicMatch. I think they have burned more than $30 million chasing market share.

I respect MusicMatch. They don't always do things right but they often do.

Je cherchant des mots pour thomson.

Bonne nuit,

Jim

zevele10 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 09, 2002, 02:19:12 pm »

50 % was a way to say they are really involved in it.
Not sure about the true level

I do not know MM enought to speak about. It is just that i like full screen jukebox and cannot stand multi blue windows .
But one year ago when i brought MM to all the kids in France i did get quite a lot of problems when ripping.
A LOT of errors and crash

jeanbalully · « **Reply #37 on:** November 10, 2002, 04:08:12 am »

I didnt know anything about any partnership between MMJB and Thomson Multimedia. Is this sure ? Thanks for the info, which explained the mystery of mp3pro in this soft.

P.S. Should I understand that Thomson is a partner too of CoolEdit ?

JimH · « **Reply #38 on:** November 10, 2002, 04:20:50 am »

Thomson was an early investor in MusicMatch. I don't know how closely they work now. I don't know anything at all about Cooledit/Thomson. I've never heard anything.

zevele10 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 10, 2002, 12:34:59 pm »

The Tompson encoder-FhG is found only in MM and another jukebox who cost around $40.
It is the faster encoder after Xing .But gives better sound at 128 than Xing.Much better .
Sure the mp3pro fonction in MM comes from this partenariat.
Do not know colledit ,so i cannot say .
First why do you ask it?

jeanbalully · « **Reply #40 on:** November 10, 2002, 01:59:33 pm »

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First why do you ask it?

I found strange that two (only) software include recently a dead format like mppro : MMJB and CoolEdit 2. For MMJB, I obtained the answer. But for CoolEdit, I don't know why they (we ?) paid for mp3pro VBR. It's a really good 'mail-codec' (the best at bitrate under 50 kb/s, far better than vorbis), but the interest of such encoding is really low.

P.S. Why mp3pro dead is ? Because 1/ Vorbis (free, faster on decoding, wide software implementation) and 2/ AAC+

JimH · « **Reply #41 on:** November 10, 2002, 02:12:40 pm »

I took a quick look around syntrillium.com (publisher of CoolEdit) and could only find the press release announcing their licensing of mp3pro from Thomson.

http://www.syntrillium.com/about/press_release/04.08.02_mp3pro_nab.html

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