Topic: Tags (Read 4564 times)

Blaine78 · « **on:** June 30, 2011, 05:55:17 pm »

J River doesn't seem to be reading my tags of my wav files, making them unassigned. Auto import of my wav files works fine. it's only just started doing it. it was working previously. i changed directory (after full uninstall) where J river was installed, and updated library, all existing stuff is tagged, only new imports?? i'm using 16.0.123

Blaine78 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 30, 2011, 07:43:11 pm »

Also should mention, i've formatted my hard drive with the WAV files on it, as exFAT, from NTFS.
is there a way to delete my library from scratch, but keeping J river settings? i'll try and import files from scratch to see if it fixes it. still find it odd though that the cover art and file import works, but is not reading tags which do exist?

JimH · « **Reply #2 on:** June 30, 2011, 08:06:01 pm »

Start by reading this:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WAV_%26_AIFF_Tagging

IF the tags are in the files, you can use MC's Library Tools/Update Library from Tags. Select a few and right click to begin.

Try a few before you do very many.

Blaine78 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 01, 2011, 12:48:49 am »

Ok. found the problem. The tags are fine when the same files are copied to a disk drive formatted as NTSF. but wont read the tags on a HDD formatted as exFAT. These are the same files copied to both drives. seems media centre wont read tags from an exFAT formatted drive, but other media players do see the tags. I tried another exFAT disk drive with WAV files, same issue. This possible to fix? or stuck with NTFS? Thanks for your help.

Blaine78 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:38:25 pm »

I'm sticking with NTFS, exFAT has too many quirks.

Blaine78 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 01, 2011, 08:54:35 pm »

ok, no, not working still. i don't get it??

Blaine78 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 01, 2011, 09:46:22 pm »

ok, problem is with version 16.0.123 not reading WAV file tags after restarting computer. i've reverted back to 16.0.121 and tried to break it, and 16.0.121 seems to be aok. everytime J river auto updates to new version, issue arises. so i've disabled auto update.

Matt · « **Reply #7 on:** July 05, 2011, 09:59:59 am »

There have been no changes in WAV tagging between 16.0.121 and 16.0.123.

Could you post step-by-step instructions to reproduce the problem?

Thanks.

Blaine78 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 05, 2011, 03:14:51 pm »

Quote from: Matt on July 05, 2011, 09:59:59 am

There have been no changes in WAV tagging between 16.0.121 and 16.0.123.

Could you post step-by-step instructions to reproduce the problem?

Thanks.

I've installed J River 16.0.121, no problems. I restore library from back-up. j river updates to 16.0.123, all is fine tags still there, i restart computer, now all newly imported WAV albums suddenly get made unassigned when auto importing. i right click , update library from tags, no go. album artwork is fine. i full uninstall, then install 16.0.121. auto import of same new files are fine and all files after fine.

Blaine78 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 05, 2011, 05:07:55 pm »

thought i'd mention, been using J River for over 2 years, never had this problem.

JimH · « **Reply #10 on:** July 05, 2011, 06:22:29 pm »

Please read this and the page it links to carefully.

I'm guessing that your tags are not stored in the files, but you can try the update.

If it fails, you may be able to use your old install to update the files from the MC library tags, and then re-import. Be careful that you don't make the problem worse. Try a few before you do very many.

Quote from: JimH on June 30, 2011, 08:06:01 pm

Start by reading this:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/WAV_%26_AIFF_Tagging

IF the tags are in the files, you can use MC's Library Tools/Update Library from Tags. Select a few and right click to begin.

Try a few before you do very many.

Blaine78 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 06, 2011, 03:22:20 am »

Quote from: JimH on July 05, 2011, 06:22:29 pm

Please read this and the page it links to carefully.

I'm guessing that your tags are not stored in the files, but you can try the update.

If it fails, you may be able to use your old install to update the files from the MC library tags, and then re-import. Be careful that you don't make the problem worse. Try a few before you do very many.

tags are stored in the files (i use dbpoweramp) i've been tagging it this way for years.
i just updated to 16.01.123. it is doing it agian, i have to revert back to previous version.
it is ONLY with new fresh files that have not previously been added to library. all other 'old' files previous imported before 16.10.123 update are fine. just NEW freshly added WAV files after update. the new imported WAVs that are unassigned in latest j river, are fine when i go back to 16.01.121. and any fresh files imported are showing with tags. there does seem to be a bug. it's not random, i can replicate it everytime.

It's like the issue is the tag reading of fresh imported WAVs before adding to it's main library.

MrC · « **Reply #12 on:** July 06, 2011, 10:55:13 am »

How about making one wav file available for someone else to test. The smallest one would be best. I'm happy to test to spare JRiver the cycles. PM with the file location if you want to move forward.

Blaine78 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:19:35 pm »

thanks,
i've sent you a PM.

Blaine78 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:26:46 pm »

just updated to 16.0.125 same problem. adding a new WAV with tags, becomes unassigned. revert back to old version, add file, tags ok.

JimH · « **Reply #15 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:29:08 pm »

How were these files created? Anything unusual?

Blaine78 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:34:11 pm »

Quote from: JimH on July 06, 2011, 04:29:08 pm

How were these files created? Anything unusual?

no, just using dppoweramp.
i convert FLAC to WAV, or cd to wav. been doing this with same version of dbpower for years. nothing has changed

Blaine78 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2011, 04:50:06 pm »

Flac files are fine with tags in 16.01.125. I just tried it. it's only WAV files. Just to make sure you know, the wav files do have tags written in them. 16.01.121 can read them. I don't tag in media centre, i do that in dbpoweramp, then import into JR.

MrC · « **Reply #18 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:15:29 pm »

I took a quick look at the end of the wav file you sent, and it shows some other comment junk before the ID3 tag block:

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002b2cb0  6e 00 7c 01 6e 00 7d 01  6d 00 7c 01 4a 55 4e 4b  |n.|.n.}.m.|.JUNK|
002b2cc0  a2 00 00 00 49 4e 46 4f  49 50 52 44 1a 00 00 00  |....INFOIPRD....|
002b2cd0  41 64 76 65 6e 74 75 72  65 6c 61 6e 64 20 53 6f  |Adventureland So|
002b2ce0  75 6e 64 74 72 61 63 6b  00 00 49 41 52 54 0c 00  |undtrack..IART..|
002b2cf0  00 00 59 6f 20 4c 61 20  54 65 6e 67 6f 00 49 43  |..Yo La Tengo.IC|
002b2d00  4d 54 08 00 00 00 4d 69  72 61 6d 61 78 00 49 43  |MT....Miramax.IC|
002b2d10  52 44 06 00 00 00 32 30  30 39 00 00 49 47 4e 52  |RD....2009..IGNR|
002b2d20  10 00 00 00 53 74 61 67  65 20 26 20 53 63 72 65  |....Stage & Scre|
002b2d30  65 6e 00 00 49 4e 41 4d  1c 00 00 00 49 20 54 68  |en..INAM....I Th|
002b2d40  69 6e 6b 20 49 27 6d 20  69 6e 20 4c 6f 76 65 20  |ink I'm in Love |
002b2d50  5b 61 6c 74 20 31 5d 00  49 54 52 4b 06 00 00 00  |[alt 1].ITRK....|
002b2d60  32 32 2f 32 34 00 4c 49  53 54 a2 00 00 00 49 4e  |22/24.LIST....IN|
002b2d70  46 4f 49 50 52 44 1a 00  00 00 41 64 76 65 6e 74  |FOIPRD....Advent|
002b2d80  75 72 65 6c 61 6e 64 20  53 6f 75 6e 64 74 72 61  |ureland Soundtra|
002b2d90  63 6b 00 00 49 41 52 54  0c 00 00 00 59 6f 20 4c  |ck..IART....Yo L|
002b2da0  61 20 54 65 6e 67 6f 00  49 43 4d 54 08 00 00 00  |a Tengo.ICMT....|
002b2db0  4d 69 72 61 6d 61 78 00  49 43 52 44 06 00 00 00  |Miramax.ICRD....|
002b2dc0  32 30 30 39 00 00 49 47  4e 52 10 00 00 00 53 74  |2009..IGNR....St|
002b2dd0  61 67 65 20 26 20 53 63  72 65 65 6e 00 00 49 4e  |age & Screen..IN|
002b2de0  41 4d 1c 00 00 00 49 20  54 68 69 6e 6b 20 49 27  |AM....I Think I'|
002b2df0  6d 20 69 6e 20 4c 6f 76  65 20 5b 61 6c 74 20 31  |m in Love [alt 1|
002b2e00  5d 00 49 54 52 4b 06 00  00 00 32 32 2f 32 34 00  |].ITRK....22/24.|
002b2e10  69 64 33 20 00 08 00 00  49 44 33 03 00 00 00 00  |id3 ....ID3.....|
002b2e20  0f 76 54 49 54 32 00 00  00 1d 00 00 00 49 20 54  |.vTIT2.......I T|
002b2e30  68 69 6e 6b 20 49 27 6d  20 69 6e 20 4c 6f 76 65  |hink I'm in Love|
002b2e40  20 5b 61 6c 74 20 31 5d  00 54 50 45 31 00 00 00  | [alt 1].TPE1...|
002b2e50  0d 00 00 00 59 6f 20 4c  61 20 54 65 6e 67 6f 00  |....Yo La Tengo.|
002b2e60  54 41 4c 42 00 00 00 1a  00 00 00 41 64 76 65 6e  |TALB.......Adven|
002b2e70  74 75 72 65 6c 61 6e 64  20 53 6f 75 6e 64 74 72  |tureland Soundtr|
002b2e80  61 63 6b 00 54 52 43 4b  00 00 00 07 00 00 00 32  |ack.TRCK.......2|
002b2e90  32 2f 32 34 00 54 59 45  52 00 00 00 06 00 00 00  |2/24.TYER.......|
002b2ea0  32 30 30 39 00 54 43 4f  4e 00 00 00 10 00 00 00  |2009.TCON.......|
002b2eb0  53 74 61 67 65 20 26 20  53 63 72 65 65 6e 00 43  |Stage & Screen.C|
002b2ec0  4f 4d 4d 00 00 00 0d 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 4d 69  |OMM...........Mi|
002b2ed0  72 61 6d 61 78 00 54 58  58 58 00 00 00 1f 00 00  |ramax.TXXX......|
002b2ee0  00 72 65 70 6c 61 79 67  61 69 6e 5f 61 6c 62 75  |.replaygain_albu|
002b2ef0  6d 5f 67 61 69 6e 00 2d  30 2e 32 33 20 64 42 54  |m_gain.-0.23 dBT|
002b2f00  58 58 58 00 00 00 1f 00  00 00 72 65 70 6c 61 79  |XXX.......replay|
002b2f10  67 61 69 6e 5f 61 6c 62  75 6d 5f 70 65 61 6b 00  |gain_album_peak.|
002b2f20  30 2e 39 39 39 39 36 39  54 58 58 58 00 00 00 20  |0.999969TXXX... |
002b2f30  00 00 00 72 65 70 6c 61  79 67 61 69 6e 5f 74 72  |...replaygain_tr|
002b2f40  61 63 6b 5f 67 61 69 6e  00 2b 31 2e 34 32 20 64  |ack_gain.+1.42 d|
002b2f50  42 00 54 58 58 58 00 00  00 20 00 00 00 72 65 70  |B.TXXX... ...rep|
002b2f60  6c 61 79 67 61 69 6e 5f  74 72 61 63 6b 5f 70 65  |laygain_track_pe|
002b2f70  61 6b 00 30 2e 36 33 35  35 39 30 00 54 58 58 58  |ak.0.635590.TXXX|
002b2f80  00 00 00 18 00 00 00 54  6f 6f 6c 20 4e 61 6d 65  |.......Tool Name|
002b2f90  00 4d 65 64 69 61 20 43  65 6e 74 65 72 00 54 58  |.Media Center.TX|
002b2fa0  58 58 00 00 00 16 00 00  00 54 6f 6f 6c 20 56 65  |XX.......Tool Ve|
002b2fb0  72 73 69 6f 6e 00 31 36  2e 30 2e 34 39 00 00 00  |rsion.16.0.49...|
002b2fc0  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
*
002b3610  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00                           |........|
002b3618

Here is where the ID3 tag data starts, it shows decodes to show it is ID3 v2.3, and indeed tags are present:

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002b2e18  49 44 33 03 00 00 00 00  0f 76 54 49 54 32 00 00  |ID3......vTIT2..|
002b2e28  00 1d 00 00 00 49 20 54  68 69 6e 6b 20 49 27 6d  |.....I Think I'm|
002b2e38  20 69 6e 20 4c 6f 76 65  20 5b 61 6c 74 20 31 5d  | in Love [alt 1]|
002b2e48  00 54 50 45 31 00 00 00  0d 00 00 00 59 6f 20 4c  |.TPE1.......Yo L|
002b2e58  61 20 54 65 6e 67 6f 00  54 41 4c 42 00 00 00 1a  |a Tengo.TALB....|
002b2e68  00 00 00 41 64 76 65 6e  74 75 72 65 6c 61 6e 64  |...Adventureland|
002b2e78  20 53 6f 75 6e 64 74 72  61 63 6b 00 54 52 43 4b  | Soundtrack.TRCK|
002b2e88  00 00 00 07 00 00 00 32  32 2f 32 34 00 54 59 45  |.......22/24.TYE|
002b2e98  52 00 00 00 06 00 00 00  32 30 30 39 00 54 43 4f  |R.......2009.TCO|
002b2ea8  4e 00 00 00 10 00 00 00  53 74 61 67 65 20 26 20  |N.......Stage & |
002b2eb8  53 63 72 65 65 6e 00 43  4f 4d 4d 00 00 00 0d 00  |Screen.COMM.....|
002b2ec8  00 00 00 00 00 00 4d 69  72 61 6d 61 78 00 54 58  |......Miramax.TX|
002b2ed8  58 58 00 00 00 1f 00 00  00 72 65 70 6c 61 79 67  |XX.......replayg|
002b2ee8  61 69 6e 5f 61 6c 62 75  6d 5f 67 61 69 6e 00 2d  |ain_album_gain.-|
002b2ef8  30 2e 32 33 20 64 42 54  58 58 58 00 00 00 1f 00  |0.23 dBTXXX.....|
002b2f08  00 00 72 65 70 6c 61 79  67 61 69 6e 5f 61 6c 62  |..replaygain_alb|
002b2f18  75 6d 5f 70 65 61 6b 00  30 2e 39 39 39 39 36 39  |um_peak.0.999969|
002b2f28  54 58 58 58 00 00 00 20  00 00 00 72 65 70 6c 61  |TXXX... ...repla|
002b2f38  79 67 61 69 6e 5f 74 72  61 63 6b 5f 67 61 69 6e  |ygain_track_gain|
002b2f48  00 2b 31 2e 34 32 20 64  42 00 54 58 58 58 00 00  |.+1.42 dB.TXXX..|
002b2f58  00 20 00 00 00 72 65 70  6c 61 79 67 61 69 6e 5f  |. ...replaygain_|
002b2f68  74 72 61 63 6b 5f 70 65  61 6b 00 30 2e 36 33 35  |track_peak.0.635|
002b2f78  35 39 30 00 54 58 58 58  00 00 00 18 00 00 00 54  |590.TXXX.......T|
002b2f88  6f 6f 6c 20 4e 61 6d 65  00 4d 65 64 69 61 20 43  |ool Name.Media C|
002b2f98  65 6e 74 65 72 00 54 58  58 58 00 00 00 16 00 00  |enter.TXXX......|
002b2fa8  00 54 6f 6f 6c 20 56 65  72 73 69 6f 6e 00 31 36  |.Tool Version.16|
002b2fb8  2e 30 2e 34 39 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |.0.49...........|
002b2fc8  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00  |................|
*
002b3618

But, once I updated the file with tag info using MC16 (latest), the block that started with JUNK is now gone, and the ID3 tag is put into its proper place. You can see this in the comparison of the files. The first column shows the offset into the file where that JUNK block was in the original, the second shows the original file's data block, and the third column shows the ID3 block.

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2b2cbd 112  J    151 i
2b2cbe 125  U    144 d
2b2cbf 116  N     63 3
2b2cc0 113  K     40
2b2cc1 242  M-"    0 ^@
2b2cc2   0  ^@    20 ^P
2b2cc6 116  N    104 D
2b2cc7 106  F     63 3

So it appears that the tagging format being used by the original WAV tagger did not write them where MC is expecting them, instead placing its own data before the actual ID3 tag used by MCs wav/aiff tagging support. So MC doesn't find a valid ID3v2 tag block.

After MC writes the data to the file, it is subsequently imported as expected.

I did a full uninstall of MC16 in a parallels virtual machine, and then installed MC 16.0.121. Importing the original file you sent does show the WAV tags in MC16.0.121. Then I deleted the file from MC entirely, and updated to the Latest and imported the file. It does not import tags. Something is different since MC16.0.121.

Perhaps the devs can comment further if necessary.

Blaine78 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:40:27 pm »

you are brilliant. awesome, i'm not going crazy

JimH · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:47:14 pm »

Quote from: Blaine78 on July 07, 2011, 02:40:27 pm

you are brilliant. awesome, i'm not going crazy

No, but you might consider switching to APE or FLAC, where tag standards are more reliable.

Blaine78 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 07, 2011, 02:57:16 pm »

Quote from: JimH on July 07, 2011, 02:47:14 pm

No, but you might consider switching to APE or FLAC, where tag standards are more reliable.

Hi, switching to FLAC is not an option for me, for own reasons, and format compatibility with other software and devices. The beauty of J River is that it had support for WAV tags, and has had for years with no problem. have over 3000 albums all in WAV...

MrC · « **Reply #22 on:** July 07, 2011, 03:11:39 pm »

JimH is correct, I am not brilliant. :-)

MrC · « **Reply #23 on:** July 07, 2011, 03:18:33 pm »

It appears to have broken in 16.0.122, perhaps with this change?

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1. Changed: Added handling of DTS-in-WAV files with a .wav extension so that they always get decoded instead of playing as noise (automatic decoding via LAV Audio hopefully coming soon).

Yaobing · « **Reply #24 on:** July 07, 2011, 03:21:12 pm »

Quote from: MrC on July 07, 2011, 03:18:33 pm

It appears to have broken in 16.0.122, perhaps with this change?

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1. Changed: Added handling of DTS-in-WAV files with a .wav extension so that they always get decoded instead of playing as noise (automatic decoding via LAV Audio hopefully coming soon).

That is what I am thinking. However, with the only tagged wav file I have, I could not reproduce the problem.

Is there a way of letting me have access of the problem file?

Yaobing · « **Reply #25 on:** July 07, 2011, 03:43:56 pm »

I think I got it. It was the change in 122 that caused it.

MrC · « **Reply #26 on:** July 07, 2011, 03:57:46 pm »

Quote from: Yaobing on July 07, 2011, 03:43:56 pm

I think I got it. It was the change in 122 that caused it.

Nice! Mr. Blaine78 will be pleased. I have a 2Mb test file if you need.

[Edit: file sent ]

Blaine78 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 07, 2011, 04:35:58 pm »

this has put a HUGE smile on my face!!

JimH · « **Reply #28 on:** July 07, 2011, 04:56:40 pm »

It was our fault. Sorry for the trouble and thanks for your patience.

Blaine78 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 07, 2011, 05:07:00 pm »

No problem. Just glad we have this interactive support with developers who help and listen, especially being the minority wav user

Blaine78 · « **Reply #30 on:** July 11, 2011, 08:57:21 pm »

Great news! WAV tags are now being read in J River in 16.01.128... happy happy!

Ant · « **Reply #31 on:** July 18, 2011, 01:13:30 am »

Hi,
I've ripped most of my collection to WAV using MC14 and all has been good. To do this I log in as administrator on a XP SP3 OS. I can play files as normal under various usernames without a problem. I also transfer all files to an off-line music server running Windows 7 for audiophile playback, and never a problem.
I now have MC16.01.128 and all previously ripped WAV files are fine using both XP and Win7. HOWEVER, newly ripped WAV files using MC16.01.128 cause problems. They all appear OK in the library under user Admin, but under other users and on my Win7 music server, the library shows all new album tracks under one album named unassigned. The folders and files look correct in windows explorer Artist\Album\Artist - name.
The tags are scrambled for all new files. Track names appear as artist - name (as they are saved in the folder), artist, album, genre and date fields are all empty. Filename, duration and bitrate fields are correct.
I've tried reinstalls of software, with no success. My problem seems similar to Blaine78 posted above.

Ant · « **Reply #32 on:** July 18, 2011, 05:07:18 am »

Ooops! I didn't check the config plugin! All up and working as good as usual.

kingfisher47 · « **Reply #33 on:** August 29, 2011, 11:51:31 am »

Almost the same problem may be a little different
Installed new MC 16 V not update because the procedure seemed to be a little complicated,
on the same harddrive and all tags could be read accurately, and werde the same as in V 15
I only youse WAV Files which I retagged mostly in the way artist title of the Cd as for ex. Adele 19 instead of 19 only
Bought a SSD to make the PC faster and installed MC 16 V here and now the retagged Adele 19 is read as 19
I saved the library version on the old harddrive and loaded it on the SSD which didnot help
I have activated the option in plug ins WAVE and AIFF plugins of course , I use V.16.01.149

Can anone help this I dont want to retag a second time

Alex B · « **Reply #34 on:** August 29, 2011, 12:04:40 pm »

Does the "tag dump" aka "detailed format info" in Action Window > Tag actually show the correct file tags?

You can find links to my instructions here: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=59513.msg430491#msg430491

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