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JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« on: May 05, 2014, 12:41:33 pm »



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The JRiver Id is Now Available

The Id is a small networked audio player.  It eliminates the need to boot Windows or turn on a display.  Connect it to your receiver or DAC and control it with Gizmo (Android) or JRemote (iOS) or other remotes.  You can also play directly to it from a computer.  It's quiet and draws less than 7 watts of power.

The Id will be $395, but you can order now at an introductory price of $295.  

[Edit: Prices on parts have dropped a little, so we've lowered the Id's prices.  www.jriver.com/Id ]

Orders are normally shipped within two days of receipt.

Many MC users enjoy building their own hardware, but for most others, this is an excellent solution.

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It is designed to be run without a monitor, and controlled with a tablet or phone, but it also has a GUI Mode:

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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2014, 08:33:10 am »

if I own a NUC like this, will I be able to download an iso image for the Id?
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2014, 08:57:10 am »

if I own a NUC like this, will I be able to download a iso image for the Id?
Not now, maybe later.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2014, 05:08:22 pm »

What audio device/driver does it use? ASIO? Can we use full DSP functions? What bit depth/sample rate will it support?
I'm intrigued ...
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2014, 09:09:16 am »

It's running Linux, so drivers differ from Windows.  You could read about our Linux version on the Linux board here.

It has the same features as the Linux version.  Details are on that board.

In general, it will provide the same high quality features available in the Windows version.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2014, 09:27:18 am »

Thanks. I'll familiarize myself with the Linux version through that board.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2014, 05:27:30 pm »

Jim

I'll take one, even though I'm in the uk.

I'm right in believing it'll sit between my NAS and DAC, be silent, controlled from a tablet and run MC?  I currently manage my library from a PC in the study.  This would allow me to have the ID next to my DAC in the other room.  I'm assuming it can share a library and in general use wouldnt need the study PC to be switched on.

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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2014, 01:38:23 pm »

I'm right in believing it'll sit between my NAS and DAC, be silent, controlled from a tablet and run MC?

1.  NAS > Id > DAC would work _if_ the NAS runs a DLNA Server.  If not, you would need to do this:

2.  NAS > MC on Mac or PC > Id > DAC
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I currently manage my library from a PC in the study.  This would allow me to have the ID next to my DAC in the other room.
That would work if MC on the PC has imported files from the NAS.
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I'm assuming it can share a library and in general use wouldn't need the study PC to be switched on.
In order to turn off the PC, you'd need to do #1 above.  The NAS would need to run a DLNA Server. 
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2014, 01:48:00 pm »

1.  NAS > Id > DAC would work _if_ the NAS runs a DLNA Server.  If not, you would need to do this:

2.  NAS > MC on Mac or PC > Id > DACThat would work if MC on the PC has imported files from the NAS.In order to turn off the PC, you'd need to do #1 above.  The NAS would need to run a DLNA Server. 

So, the Id can't access an NFS share exported on the NAS?

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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2014, 04:11:12 pm »

It probably could, but it doesn't at this time.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2014, 04:15:42 pm »

Expect a DLNA Renderer that works well.  It may require a little help from the forum to set it up, and it may have a few rough edges, but problems will be solved by the device's ability to update itself.

If you're not happy with it, we will refund the full purchase price for 30 days.

Thanks.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2014, 04:22:09 pm »

Will it support synchronized playback?
 
Few other DLNA/UPnP devices seem to, which is why so many people use Sonos/AirPlay instead.
 
 
After buying some DLNA hardware recently, and reading about other people's problems, I'm really losing faith in DLNA/UPnP as a robust solution for networked/multiroom audio.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2014, 06:17:23 pm »

just wonder'n. With folks, including myself streaming about 50% of the time, I'm thinking it's almost a must.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2014, 06:53:22 pm »

just wonder'n. With folks, including myself streaming about 50% of the time, I'm thinking it's almost a must.
We have no plans for streaming from Internet sources at this point.  It's not so much of a technical problem as it is a licensing or rights problem.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2014, 09:13:30 pm »

We have no plans for streaming from Internet sources at this point.  It's not so much of a technical problem as it is a licensing or rights problem.
What about implementing Logitech Media Server?
Also, does this retain the ability to handle DSD and HD multichannel files from a server?  If so, I want it now!
 
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2014, 10:58:54 am »

What about implementing Logitech Media Server?
Also, does this retain the ability to handle DSD and HD multichannel files from a server?  If so, I want it now!
No Logitech.  Sorry.  We're aiming at perfecting one thing first, and that's the DLNA Renderer.  We'll broaden the scope in the future.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2014, 09:06:43 pm »

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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2014, 05:04:44 pm »

I have a synology NAS with my music files. As you say it's DLNA which will be fine too, but won't have my MC playlists, will I?  If the Id is running the unix version of MC then aren't I connecting the JRemote to the MC library.

Oh I've got it. MC is reading the DLNA server not the network drive.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2014, 04:19:35 pm »

Any chance an external VFD could be hooked up as a 'playing now' display??

I have these on my (ancient) Roku Soundbridges.  Their VFDs are pretty useful as well as being a conversation piece.

Just an enabling of a common interface via the USB would be sufficient.

'post mounted' VFDs like you see on cash registers are commonly available for about $75 at salvage mongers.  New in box units run about $125.  Most of them run on the current available from USB v2/3 ports, some of them do require an external powerr adapter.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2014, 08:43:45 am »

Any chance an external VFD could be hooked up as a 'playing now' display??

I have these on my (ancient) Roku Soundbridges.  Their VFDs are pretty useful as well as being a conversation piece.

Just an enabling of a common interface via the USB would be sufficient.

'post mounted' VFDs like you see on cash registers are commonly available for about $75 at salvage mongers.  New in box units run about $125.  Most of them run on the current available from USB v2/3 ports, some of them do require an external powerr adapter.


Maybe this one is the answer to your request

http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=63181.0
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2014, 07:48:26 am »

Any chance an external VFD could be hooked up as a 'playing now' display??

I have these on my (ancient) Roku Soundbridges.  Their VFDs are pretty useful as well as being a conversation piece.

Just an enabling of a common interface via the USB would be sufficient.

'post mounted' VFDs like you see on cash registers are commonly available for about $75 at salvage mongers.  New in box units run about $125.  Most of them run on the current available from USB v2/3 ports, some of them do require an external power adapter.
Interesting, but not anytime soon.  The phone or tablet is the display in this case.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2014, 07:57:27 am »

We shipped the first group of orders this week.  To those who ordered, thanks for your confidence in our work.

The Id works reliably as a renderer now.  The server is also working, but hasn't been tested as much.  You can copy files to it across the network, and it will import them automatically.

Bob has done a great job getting this working.  It's impressive.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2014, 05:50:44 pm »

Is the Id able to handle DSD files stored on DLNA server (e.g., a NAS with DLNA capability)?  What about an external hard drive connected by USB?
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2014, 06:37:09 pm »

The Id will play DSD files.  It has the same audio and networking capabilities that MC on Windows or Mac have.

It won't yet support an external USB storage device, but MC on Windows or Mac could import the files from the USB drive and they would be available for playback to the Id.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2014, 11:17:37 am »

Power is 100 to 240 Volts, 50 to 60 Hz. The power supply is an external "brick". It comes with adaptors for international power plugs. More information is at the bottom of the instructions page.

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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2014, 11:22:01 am »

Would Id be available with better processor?  If not will the current version handle the conversion to dsd on the fly?  If not any chance we can purchase ISO to Id os/jriver setup to roll our own.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2014, 11:46:21 am »

We will probably add more options later, but now our focus is on quality and reliability.  We need to keep the variables to a minimum.

Used as a Renderer, the conversion would occur on the server.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2014, 05:12:42 pm »

You mentioned supporting usb/spdif devices such as the vlink 192, yet only the usb dragonfly is mentioned on the wiki page.

Can you confirm?
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2014, 10:27:10 am »

I did a little testing DSD files this morning.  They play without conversion.  I was testing playback from a USB stick in my laptop over a wireless connection to the Id.  No problem.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2014, 03:21:30 pm »

Any idea of the shipping cost to Canada?
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2014, 03:25:01 pm »

Around $40 by mail.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2014, 03:41:46 pm »

Jim

The vlink-192 is a usb / spdif converter.  Are you sure it won't be supported, and only the Dragonfly or Hdmi?

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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2014, 05:19:40 pm »

I don't know.  Sorry.

[Edit -- it looks like most USB DAC's will work, unless they require their own USB driver.]
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« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2014, 10:07:11 pm »

Around $40 by mail.

Thanks. I'll get it sent to my holding address in upstate NY and then go pick it up with a bunch of other stuff too.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #34 on: May 28, 2014, 06:22:20 pm »

I did a little testing DSD files this morning.  They play without conversion.  I was testing playback from a USB stick in my laptop over a wireless connection to the Id.  No problem.
I just tested multi-channel FLAC over an HDMI connection to my receiver.  It works.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #35 on: May 30, 2014, 10:00:25 am »

Nice one guys!!
At the beginning of this year I was wondering about a JRiver embedded type device and whether the time was right for such a thing to appear.

I was considering what I could build that was solid state with enough processing power to stream audio and HD video and have the ability to run JRiver and be portable.
I book marked heaps of things to do with industrial ARM and x86 processors and Intel NUCs and the like. With the advent of 3d printing I was making plans to prototype something.  Guess I don't need to bother now!

I recently purchased a Seagate wireless plus and have managed to get it working well as a wireless portable 1TB DLNA server.
I've hacked mine to run a few other useful things on it and make it more reliable. (custom startup scripts and a few other things that stop it from reindexing everytime it restarts)
I use JRiver MC19 handheld sync to sync all my music and transcode some movies to it via USB3 and then use it to stream via DLNA in the car with iPhone and 8Player and at work and at the holiday house.
I could see the Id and the Seagate Wireless plus being great companion devices! :)
 
Just the other day searching the forums for info on an ARM compiled version of MC19. Hoping an ARM version makes It out of the R&D stage!
What I really want is JRemote/Gizmo App integration with a DLNA server.  JRemote can do bit perfect playback of files on the iPhone @ 96/24 (streamed FLAC from MC19) with an external USB DAC like the FiiO E17 (which I own and LOVE) and JRemote really is the best media app on the iPhone.

Jim do you know if there are any plans to get JRemote or Gizmo working with the Id or other DLNA servers?
Amazing what these little boxes can do today!  Im going to get one Jim just to play.. :)
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #36 on: May 30, 2014, 12:27:34 pm »

Jim do you know if there are any plans to get JRemote or Gizmo working with the Id or other DLNA servers?
Amazing what these little boxes can do today!  Im going to get one Jim just to play.. :)
Gizmo and JRemote can both control the Id.  You could test whatever version of MC you have now to see how it works with your DLNA Server.

Thanks for your order, by the way.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #37 on: May 30, 2014, 03:56:33 pm »

Greetings:

The cost is not bad. I in fact expect it to cost more. I  will wait until it is tested with videos (mkv.)

Any hope regarding choice of colors in the future i.e black, and  slim form factor?.

I will like to set up all bedrooms in my house to use this.

Thanks.

George T. Omoregie.
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« Reply #38 on: May 30, 2014, 05:25:28 pm »

Gizmo and JRemote can both control the Id.  You could test whatever version of MC you have now to see how it works with your DLNA Server.

Thanks for your order, by the way.
Thanks Jim. 
MC19 already works great with the seagate wireless plus (swp) DLNA server so that's great news. I'm looking forward to using the Id as a renderer, swp as DLNA server and JRemote as both remote and renderer.

I bet I can get the Id working in the car with BT integration with the iPhone running JRemote/BT with AVRCP BT integration. I can't wait!!!  If it works as I suspect it will I'll have to order another one dedicated to the car!
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2014, 01:26:35 am »

Greetings:
Any hope regarding choice of colors in the future i.e black, and  slim form factor?.

I think that most slim form factor cases are much bigger than this:

Quote from: Intel NUC Specs
MECHANICAL CHASSIS SIZE:
4.59 x 4.41 x 2.03
116.6mm x 112.0mm x 51.5mm
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« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2014, 11:46:46 am »

Greetings:

Looking at the case on my screen looks bulky to me. Maybe my astigmatism is fooling me.

Thanks.

George
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« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2014, 01:19:32 pm »

Greetings:

Looking at the case on my screen looks bulky to me. Maybe my astigmatism is fooling me.

Thanks.

George

In those pictures, Intel failed to take advantage of one if the NUC's best characteristics - its tiny size. Those owe close ups don't convey its true proportions. To get a realistic perspective, compare the size of the USB port to the overall dimensions.
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« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2014, 06:42:45 pm »

Here's a picture with a pencil to provide a sense of scale:



We're about to ship the first batch.

Pictures of our clean room

There are a couple pictures of the USB 3.0 cradle we're using to cut the drives.  It takes about four minutes to cut each drive.  The location is behind our server rack.



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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #43 on: June 02, 2014, 05:05:36 am »

my dac is NAD M51,it has hdmi input! I look forward to the dac and id can work well together!
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« Reply #44 on: June 02, 2014, 07:58:25 am »

Here's a picture with a pencil to provide a sense of scale:



We're about to ship the first batch.

Pictures of our clean room

There are a couple pictures of the USB 3.0 cradle we're using to cut the drives.  It takes about four minutes to cut each drive.  The location is behind our server rack.

Im Excited!! Thanks for processing the order so quick. I cant wait!
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2014, 05:08:25 pm »

I posted a thread up on CA about the device, thinking the Id would be perfect for that crowd. Wish I hadn't now.

However one comment was about whether the Id was audiophile or high quality. High quality is how is described on the wiki, but I can't see how, if connected to a decent DAC it can't produce audiophile quality sound.

Unless the Id is very noisy, or course.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2014, 05:26:41 pm »

It's quiet.  If I put my ear on it, I can hear the fan, but from two feet away, I can't hear anything.  I sit about 10 feet away to listen to music, and I can also close the door on the cabinet.

I would rate it as audiophile friendly, but who am I to say what audiophiles want.
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2014, 05:37:57 pm »

Interested to hear there's a fan, even though there's a SSD.

Point taken about audiophile sound. Personally I struggle hearing the difference between 24/192 and 24/96, so perhaps it's all wasted on me.

There's a separate debate going on about whether the Id can really support on the fly upsampling to DSD, with one of the new KORG DACs.  Oh this is going to be so much fun!

Any news about shipping yet. I think you were hoping to ship some last Friday

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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2014, 01:42:24 pm »

We're starting to ship today.  If you have paid, yours will be sent today or tomorrow at the latest.

Thank you!
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Re: JRiver Id -- High Quality Audio Hardware
« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2014, 06:09:31 pm »

Just as well, I've got nothing planned for the weekend then !
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