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DHF

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Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« on: July 16, 2014, 09:22:06 am »

I tried the wiki but there isn't any information on pitch adjust.  So I will ask it here.

Concert A is 440 Hz.  If I wanted to adjust Concert A to 432 Hz, how much should I lower the pitch in pitch adjust?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2014, 09:23:47 am »

432 / 440 = 0.98182
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2014, 09:29:35 am »

Thanks Matt!  welcome back.
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2014, 09:33:58 am »

So -.98182x in the settings?   Is the adjustment all 5 decimal places and the display just truncated to 2 decimal places?
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2014, 09:53:49 am »

Is the adjustment all 5 decimal places and the display just truncated to 2 decimal places?

Yes.
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2014, 10:50:54 am »

I think you actually want to use -.01818 or else there is a bug in the DSP.
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2014, 10:59:01 am »

By the way, are you changing everything to 432 Hz or just music that originally would have been played with Concert A at 432 Hz? If the latter, how do you know whether the recording was done with the orchestra, etc. tuned to 440 Hz or 432 Hz? It could be that the recording is already with music tuned to 432 Hz and now you are lowering to 424 Hz. Just curious. I also saw this on Wikipedia:

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Many modern ensembles which specialize in the performance of Baroque music have agreed on a standard of A = 415 Hz.
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2014, 12:46:06 pm »

A friend called.   I forced him to switch to J \River from Media Monkey 6 months ago.  Tagging in Media Monkey is a mess.  But I digress....
He told me about a group of musicians that feel that concert A at 432 Hz is more pleasing and organic - and that somehow in modern orchestras Concert A has been switched to 440 Hz.  

His buddy showed him this with a plugin for foobar that altered pitch.

In defense of JRiver I told him no plugins needed - he could do it in the DSP settings - but I needed Matt's help to figure it out.
Google 432 Hz.  There is stuff out there about it.   And it's on the internet, so we know it to be true  :D

Maybe crazy but I was just showing him how easy it is in JRiver.

But I have no idea how to tell if an orchestra is tuned to 440, 432, or 415 Hz.  

And now I'm not sure if I told him the right way to do it.  .98182 or -.01818

I am trying it on a laptop.  Can't really tell if it is more organic or anything.....
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2014, 01:52:32 pm »

I created a 440 Hz sine wave in Audacity. I played it in JRiver and analyzed it with the Voxengo SPAN VST plugin. With the Tempo & Pitch DSP turned off, it played at 440 Hz.

With the DSP turned on and pitch set to -0.01818 it played at 432 Hz.
With the pitch set to -0.98182, the 440 Hz tone shifted down to about 226 Hz.

1.0-.98182=0.01818
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2014, 04:40:24 pm »

Thanks for the help, mojave and Matt. :)
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2018, 03:42:18 am »

there is something wrong...
when I set the pitch at -0,18 the sound is horrible...
In foobar2000 I set the rate at -1,82 and the music is divine.
When I set the same value in JRiver the music is unbearable...

any ideas?
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2018, 04:07:09 am »

Looking at the numbers above, you may have missed one zero and accidentally changed the pitch by far too much?
-0.018, not -0.18
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2018, 04:22:50 am »

Ok, thanks.

But what about the rate value? there in JRiver should be some other value?
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2022, 05:24:39 am »

Looking at the numbers above, you may have missed one zero and accidentally changed the pitch by far too much?
-0.018, not -0.18

How to set it to -0.018?
Thanks
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Re: Pitch adjust settings 440 Hz to 432 Hz
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2023, 05:39:57 pm »

 Sincronization 432 hz      1º Studio DSP     2º Speed&Tone    Rythm +0.00x     Tone -0.08x     Speed +0.00x 
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