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kgosfm

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No line in recording
« on: July 26, 2015, 09:51:38 am »

I set up my old turntable, ready to rip some LPs, but I just found out that MC doesn't support "Line In" recording (as of version 18).  The best, most comprehensive media player/organizer/magic bullet doesn't support this?  I'm stunned.  So, I suppose there's no plans to do so in the future.  What does everybody else use for this fairly common task? Thanks for the help.

Thankx, blgentry.  Audacity works great.  Thanks again.
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Re: I am so bummed out... (no line in recording)
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2015, 09:55:51 am »

Audacity for basic recording and editing.  Reaper if you want the whole professional DAW experience.  I would think Audacity would work fine for this task.  Assuming you have a phono preamp in the chain somewhere.  Otherwise, you're going to get almost no signal out of most turntables.

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Re: I am so bummed out... (no line in recording)
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2015, 10:10:28 am »

Vinyl Studio is a very good app for recording vinyl. It was made for that purpose. One of its real advantages is that it does album lookup for track names and timing. It also does click removal, plus hum and hiss removal. There is a trial version available and the cost is only $29. Programs like Audacity and Reaper are good for creating audio, adding effects, etc., but are not optimized for vinyl recording.

You do need an analog to digital converter and the one in PCs is usually not very good. There are options for $50 to several thousands, depending on what you want to do.
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Re: I am so bummed out... (no line in recording)
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2015, 10:14:51 am »

Assuming you have a phono preamp in the chain somewhere.  Otherwise, you're going to get almost no signal out of most turntables.

Without the pre-amp the signal isn't just low, it's also not spectrally balanced at all. Traditional phono pre-amps provide significant boost at low frequencies to compensate for the limitations of vinyl media.  So even if you could record without a pre-amp it wouldn't sound "right" at all.

I also recommend audacity for basic ripping; it includes click and hum removal and is free and easy.
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Re: I am so bummed out... (no line in recording)
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2015, 01:14:45 pm »

Without the pre-amp the signal isn't just low, it's also not spectrally balanced at all. Traditional phono pre-amps provide significant boost at low frequencies to compensate for the limitations of vinyl media.  So even if you could record without a pre-amp it wouldn't sound "right" at all.

I also recommend audacity for basic ripping; it includes click and hum removal and is free and easy.

Most vinyl software these days does RIAA equalization, assuming you have enough signal.

Audacity can do the cleanup, but, at least the last time I looked, does not do album lookup for track timing and naming.  Vinyl Studio does a good job of that, which greatly streamlines the workflow. I also find it easier to use to split tracks manually and remove silence between tracks and when going from side 1 to side 2.
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Re: I am so bummed out... (no line in recording)
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2015, 01:32:20 pm »

Or all in one solution

PreSonus AudioBox USB
•Presonus AudioBox 22VSL
•Focusrite Scarlett 2i2
•Lynx L22 (among the very best around)
•(legacy - buy used) M-Audio AP 24192
•(legacy - buy used - starter level gear) M-Audio AP 2496

See http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/sample_workflow_for_lp_digitization.html
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Re: I am so bummed out... (no line in recording)
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2015, 02:48:45 pm »

I am obviously a Vinyl Studio user and supporter. So, here is the workflow for using Vinyl Studio, including looking up track names and timings from Internet sources. It will record in DSD, something Audacity does not do, at least the last time I looked. Audacity is a very powerful tool, I just find Vinyl Studio easier to use for recording and tagging vinyl.

http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk/VinylStudio/screenshots.aspx

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Re: I am so bummed out... (no line in recording)
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2015, 05:19:12 am »

Hi everybody

Audacity is well-known and very good.

From an older PC, I have a licence for Goldwave. It's a general purpose audio editor, with a lot of sound effects, including modules convenient for vinyl repairing, it looks rather complete in my view (pop/click-, hiss-, noise- removal, high & low- pass filters...).
It can also manage file splitting (using cue points).

However, I recently discovered VinylStudio, and it does look great. GW can do more or less the same, but without VS lookup function which is just appealing. I'm going to try it out.

Concerning phono pre-amp, I am using the phono input of a Denon AVR, and the record output of the same AVR :-), then up to the PC.
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Re: No line in recording
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2015, 01:18:39 am »

reaper is my choice for this task..that and samplitude.


also, *please* stop the quite insane practice of recording vinyl rips at 24 bits. Complete waste of time and processing power, not to mention storage space.

even 16 bits is higher resolution than even the most pristine vinyl.  

16/44.1 is more than enough...that darn nyquist theorem
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Re: No line in recording
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2015, 01:55:41 pm »


also, *please* stop the quite insane practice of recording vinyl rips at 24 bits. Complete waste of time and processing power, not to mention storage space.

even 16 bits is higher resolution than even the most pristine vinyl.  

16/44.1 is more than enough...that darn nyquist theorem

My wife can pick out a 16/44.1 digitized vinyl from the 24/192 one of the same track pretty much every time, usually in just a few seconds. Maybe you should come over and tell her she cannot hear what she is hearing :) Shannon-Nyquist is a great tool, but it does not tell us everything about how digital music actually sounds. Perfect sound forever unfortunately falls short in implementation and the ability of humans to "hear" does not always follow the rules. I'll stick to my wasteful practices. It is more peaceful in the house that way.
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