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chunky70

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Still using version 17! Is it worth upgrading to 22?
« on: August 22, 2016, 11:40:53 am »

Hi all.
Been using 17 for ages (2012?), very pleased with it on the whole. Had tried 19 but had problems with audio stuttering so went back to 17. Will i get significant improvement with 22. Hoping that things have moved on in 4 years!
My computer is a dual core intel with 8gb ram win 10.
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Re: Still using version 17! Is it worth upgrading to 22?
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2016, 02:41:28 pm »

MC 20 had significant changes for music that of course are carried over to all versions. I have no use for the TV stuff. If you want to stay informed read the changes for any particular version here on interact.
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Re: Still using version 17! Is it worth upgrading to 22?
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2016, 07:08:22 am »

I'm enjoying 22 ... however, One thing you should consider is it's not likely developed with core 2 in mind.
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Re: Still using version 17! Is it worth upgrading to 22?
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2016, 08:39:16 am »

Before purchasing an upgrade, you should give MC22 a trial run and see if it's worth it to you.
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Re: Still using version 17! Is it worth upgrading to 22?
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2016, 02:46:54 am »

Thanks for the replies. I've tries 22 and it seems fine enough although there is a slight lag when playing audio from memory. I'm only interested in audio and to be honest i can't tell  between 17 & 22 as far as quality goes. Am i right in thinking that from 19 onwards there is increased ram usage? This would benefit more powerful machines? As i said before i had real problems with 19 and interupted audio when playing from memory and 22 seems more responsive with this feature turned off.
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Re: Still using version 17! Is it worth upgrading to 22?
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2016, 06:05:56 am »

Thanks for the replies. I've tries 22 and it seems fine enough although there is a slight lag when playing audio from memory. I'm only interested in audio and to be honest i can't tell  between 17 & 22 as far as quality goes. Am i right in thinking that from 19 onwards there is increased ram usage? This would benefit more powerful machines? As i said before i had real problems with 19 and interupted audio when playing from memory and 22 seems more responsive with this feature turned off.

Going from 17 to 19 the playing from memory was drastically changed. It went from loading the compressed data (flac) to loading the uncompressed data (like wav) and this took a lot more memory and more CPU time whenever more data needed to be loaded into memory, since it needed to be decompressed. This basically broke Play from Memory for many people. That seems like what you ran into. If you do not use play from memory, going from 17 to 19 (or 22) should not cause any stuttering.

In 22, there is a new option called Load Files to Memory at Start of Playback, which essentially loads an entire compressed track into memory at the start of a track. To avoid stuttering at startup it does not play anything until the file is fully loaded. You need to uncheck Play Files from Memory for this new option to work. The new Load Files to Memory should be very fast, although there can be a delay if your file is on a  USB drive that needs to be woken up or if a NAS or network drive needs to be accessed. There can also be a delay if your track is very long. This can be the case, for example, for a hi rez (196/24 or DSD) track of a symphony.  The delay your report is probably the track being fully loaded into memory. But, if you do not delay the start of playback, you can get stuttering as the long file loads. If you turn off the Load Files to Memory option, there should be no delay.

I do not believe the basic audio engine has changed since 17, other than Play from Memory.  Many features like more DSD support, the new Sox resampler, more DSP options, etc. have been added. But if you do not use any DSP options, the sound should be basically the same from 17 to 19.  And Play from Memory worked well in 17.
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