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[arcspin]

Thanx,
What is needed to be entered in SOT MediaInfo?
Do I need to add "Crop" to "Enter the Field in MC to Update"?

and how many second in to the movie is advisable to add?

[jmone]

As per the Pic, Just add the # of secs into the Video you want to measure (eg 120sec to avoid intros).

[arcspin]

Getting closer!

Ok, so SOT tells me that "FFmpeg is missing, Download Now or Cancel?"
I press OK and SOT does it thing. but there is no crop factor added:

The Crop Factor for "H:\Filmer\Filmer3\The Mummy 1959\The Mummy 1959" is 

and the next time I use SOT and Gets Mediainfo the same question appears again.

Question: Where to download and where to install FFmpeg?

[jmone]

NOTE: If the ffmpeg build is not downloading and extracting correctly into your [SOT]\ffmpeg folder (blocked by Windows Defender etc), then you can just download the this ffmpeg build manually and extract it to the [SOT Folder]\ffmpeg folder.

EDIT - ahhh the source has been removed!!!!  Give me a bit!

[jmone]

OK - Try this test build - It should have a link to a ffmpeg build that apparently will last for two years (not two weeks!).

Test Version: 210618
- Added the ability to enter in the desired point in the video to start measuring the Crop Factor
- Simple check (and warning in the log) if the desired point in the video to start measuring the Crop Factor is greater than the duration of the video itself (and SOT will instead measure from 1 sec so processing over lots of files can continue)
- Your preferred value will be remembered between runs (stored in the INI file)
- If the value is blank or 0 then the Crop Factor will not run (so as to not slow down those who just want the Media Info meta data but don't want to check for the crop info)
- Changed the Language parsing to remove duplicates, padding + it will not call MCWS if there is nothing to change

As usual, let me know what I broke!

[jmone]

NOTE: If the ffmpeg build is not downloading and extracting correctly into your [SOT]\ffmpeg folder (blocked by Windows Defender etc), then you can just download the this ffmpeg build manually and extract it to the [SOT Folder]\ffmpeg folder.

https://github.com/BtbN/FFmpeg-Builds/releases/download/autobuild-2021-05-31-13-09/ffmpeg-N-102631-gbaf5cc5b7a-win64-gpl-shared.zip

[arcspin]

Sorry to say,
But the same result and in the SOT folder there are not being created any ffmpeg folders.

I will try manually update ffmpeg

[arcspin]

Do I extract the zipped folder directly under SOT folder?
The zipped folder is named "ffmpeg-N-102631-gbaf5cc5b7a-win64-gpl-shared"

[jmone]

One sec....

[jmone]

OK - Try this test build - It should have a link to a ffmpeg build that apparently will last for two years (not two weeks!).

Test Version: 210618
- Added the ability to enter in the desired point in the video to start measuring the Crop Factor
- Simple check (and warning in the log) if the desired point in the video to start measuring the Crop Factor is greater than the duration of the video itself (and SOT will instead measure from 1 sec so processing over lots of files can continue)
- Your preferred value will be remembered between runs (stored in the INI file)
- If the value is blank or 0 then the Crop Factor will not run (so as to not slow down those who just want the Media Info meta data but don't want to check for the crop info)
- Changed the Language parsing to remove duplicates, padding + it will not call MCWS if there is nothing to change

As usual, let me know what I broke!

[arcspin]

For me, same as before.

[jmone]

If FFMPEG is not being download automatically, then unzip the download from https://github.com/BtbN/FFmpeg-Builds/releases/download/autobuild-2021-05-31-13-09/ffmpeg-N-102631-gbaf5cc5b7a-win64-gpl-shared.zip it into this folder

[arcspin]

Nope, still the same.

I have a Swedish OS, can that be problematic?

can I (and how) send som logfiles?

[jmone]

Mmmmm, Run SOT and check "Turn on Verbose Logging of MCWS Calls" and the copy and paste here the log in the bottom box.

[jmone]

The log should look like this:

Code: [Select]

Finished
The Crop Factor for "\\MAIN\Media\Discs\Parasite\BDMV\index" is 3840:2160:0:0
MCWS Status - 200  MCWS Call and Result (see details below)
http://127.0.0.1:52199/MCWS/v1/File/SetInfo?File=9784204&FileType=Key&Field=Crop&Value=3840:2160:0:0
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
<Response Status="Failure" Information="No changes."/>

--- MC already has the same information for the above results ---
Determining the Crop Factor for "\\MAIN\Media\Discs\Parasite\BDMV\index" at the 120 sec mark
Adding Largest M2TS file for "\\MAIN\Media\Discs\Parasite\BDMV\index_MediaInfo.txt"
Created Extra file for "\\MAIN\Media\Discs\Parasite\BDMV\index_MediaInfo.txt"
MCWS Status - 200  MCWS Call and Result (see details below)
http://127.0.0.1:52199/MCWS/v1/File/GetInfo?File=9784204&Fields=Name,Playback Range,Filename,File Type,Compression,Language,Duration
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
<MPL Version="2.0" Title="MCWS - Files - 15752" PathSeparator="\">
<Item>
<Field Name="Key">9784204</Field>
<Field Name="Name">Parasite</Field>
<Field Name="Filename">\\MAIN\Media\Discs\Parasite\BDMV\index.bluray;1</Field>
<Field Name="File Type">bdmv</Field>
<Field Name="Compression">bdmv video (video: HEVC, audio: dts-hd)</Field>
<Field Name="Language">English;Korean</Field>
<Field Name="Duration">7914</Field>
</Item>
</MPL>

Commenced - Please wait....
MCWS Status - 200  MCWS Call and Result (see details below)
http://127.0.0.1:52199/MCWS/v1/Files/Current?Action=Serialize
2;1;-1;9784204
Media Center Version 28.0.24 Found at 127.0.0.1:52199

[arcspin]

Loginfo

Code: [Select]

Finished
The Crop Factor for "H:\Filmer\Filmer3\Bachelor Party 1984\Bachelor.Party.1984" is
MCWS Status - 200  MCWS Call and Result (see details below)
http://127.0.0.1:52199/MCWS/v1/File/SetInfo?File=31682275&FileType=Key&Field=Crop&Value=
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
<Response Status="Failure" Information="No changes."/>

--- MC already has the same information for the above results ---
Determining the Crop Factor for "H:\Filmer\Filmer3\Bachelor Party 1984\Bachelor.Party.1984" at the 120 sec mark
MC Audio Tracks updated with Surround Sound
MCWS Status - 200  MCWS Call and Result (see details below)
http://127.0.0.1:52199/MCWS/v1/File/SetInfo?File=31682275&FileType=Key&Field=Audio%20Tracks&Value=Surround%20Sound
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
<Response Status="Failure" Information="No changes."/>

--- MC already has the same information for the above results ---
MC Audio Language updated with English
MCWS Status - 200  MCWS Call and Result (see details below)
http://127.0.0.1:52199/MCWS/v1/File/SetInfo?File=31682275&FileType=Key&Field=Audio%20Language&Value=English
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
<Response Status="Failure" Information="No changes."/>

--- MC already has the same information for the above results ---
Removed Extra file for "H:\Filmer\Filmer3\Bachelor Party 1984\Bachelor.Party.1984_MediaInfo.txt"
Created Extra file for "H:\Filmer\Filmer3\Bachelor Party 1984\Bachelor.Party.1984_MediaInfo.txt"
MCWS Status - 200  MCWS Call and Result (see details below)
http://127.0.0.1:52199/MCWS/v1/File/GetInfo?File=31682275&Fields=Name,Playback Range,Filename,File Type,Compression,Language,Duration
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes" ?>
<MPL Version="2.0" Title="MCWS - Files - 3512" PathSeparator="\">
<Item>
<Field Name="Key">31682275</Field>
<Field Name="Name">Bachelor Party</Field>
<Field Name="Filename">H:\Filmer\Filmer3\Bachelor Party 1984\Bachelor.Party.1984.mkv</Field>
<Field Name="File Type">mkv</Field>
<Field Name="Compression">mkv video (video: h264, audio: dts)</Field>
<Field Name="Language">English</Field>
<Field Name="Duration">6329</Field>
</Item>
</MPL>

Commenced - Please wait....
MCWS Status - 200  MCWS Call and Result (see details below)
http://127.0.0.1:52199/MCWS/v1/Files/Current?Action=Serialize
2;1;-1;31682275
Finished
The Crop Factor for "H:\Filmer\Filmer3\Bachelor Party 1984\Bachelor.Party.1984" is
--- MC already has the same information for the above results ---
Determining the Crop Factor for "H:\Filmer\Filmer3\Bachelor Party 1984\Bachelor.Party.1984" at the 120 sec mark
MC Audio Tracks updated with Surround Sound
MC Audio Language updated with English
Language track info found and MC Language Field Updated
Removed Extra file for "H:\Filmer\Filmer3\Bachelor Party 1984\Bachelor.Party.1984_MediaInfo.txt"
Created Extra file for "H:\Filmer\Filmer3\Bachelor Party 1984\Bachelor.Party.1984_MediaInfo.txt"
Commenced - Please wait....
Media Center Version 27.0.85 Found at 127.0.0.1:52199

[jmone]

In your SOT folder is there a ffmpeg.txt file?  And if so can you attach it.

[arcspin]

No, ffmpeg.txt file.

Only
Swag of Tools.exe and Swag of Tools.ini
and
folders ffmpeg and MediaInfo

[jmone]

Mmmm - It's late here so I'll have a think overnight!

[arcspin]

No problem.

I thank you and bid you a good night sleep!!!

[zybex]

Arcspin,
With SoT in that folder, you need to run it 'as administrator'.
Alternatively, just run it from somewhere else, like from a SOT folder in your Desktop.

[arcspin]

You are correct !!!

When I moved the entire folder to my desktop it worked as it should and show the crop factor: 1920:1040:0:0

I have now places the SOT folder directly under C: (as I had with Mcratings)

GOOD CATCH!

[arcspin]

Ok, the next step would be to link the cropped info from Crop field to icons in Tooltip folder.
Do I have to convert the Crop data  so that your (Zybex) Expression works for me?

As it is now it returs the text: empty

Code: [Select]

Save(not(isequal([crop], Replace([dimensions],/ x/ ,:):0:0)), v_IsCropped)/

If([v_IsCropped]/
    ,Save(Math(ListItem([Crop],0,:) / ListItem([Crop],1,:)),v_ARCalculated)/
    ,Save(Math(Replace([Aspect Ratio],:,//)),v_ARCalculated)/
)/

IfCase(Replace([v_ARCalculated],/,,.), 3, 1, empty, 1.38, 1.33, 1.69, 1.66, 1.80, 1.78, 1.88, 1.85, 2.37, 2.35, 2.45, 2.39)

[arcspin]

Sorry, it worked for other movies but this cropped info "1920:1040:0:0" returns the text empty.

[zybex]

That's because MC doesn't seem to populate [Aspect Ratio] for 1920x1040 movies (for some reason), and that formula uses that field in some cases.
Here's a changed one that always uses [crop] if it's available, otherwise uses [Aspect Ratio]:

Code: [Select]

If(isempty([crop])/
    ,Save(Math(Replace([Aspect Ratio],:,//)),v_ARCalculated)/
    ,Save(Math(ListItem([Crop],0,:) / ListItem([Crop],1,:)),v_ARCalculated)/
)/
IfCase(Replace([v_ARCalculated],/,,.), 3, 1, empty, 1.38, 1.33, 1.69, 1.66, 1.80, 1.78, 1.88, 1.85, 2.37, 2.35, 2.45, 2.39)
edit: updated here

[arcspin]

YES, that worked!

Ok, so what is the best expression to use to connect these values to my Tooltip png icons.
(and are there more common crop value icons to use)
Aspect 1.33.png
Aspect 1.66.png
Aspect 1.78.png
Aspect 1.85.png
Aspect 2.35.png
Aspect 2.39.png

This is what I use now to connect values to Tooltip icons above

Code: [Select]

<font face="ToolTip01" size="160" color="#9496a3">Save(Math(Trunc(Replace([Aspect Ratio], :, // ) + .005, 2)), gAR)IfElse(Compare(Load(gAR), <, 1), , Compare(Load(gAR), <, 1.38), M, Compare(Load(gAR), <, 1.68), N,Compare(Load(gAR), <, 1.80), O,Compare(Load(gAR), <, 1.87), P,Compare(Load(gAR), <, 2.36), Q,Compare(Load(gAR), <, 2.40), R)<//font>

[zybex]

Here's a better expression that uses whichever field is available, in order. It also adds the 2.76 AR:

Code: [Select]

save(ifelse(not(isempty([crop])), Math(ListItem([Crop],0,:)//ListItem([Crop],1,:)),/
not(isempty([Aspect Ratio])), Math(Replace([Aspect Ratio],:,//)),/
1,Math(Replace([Dimensions],x,//))),v_ARCalculated)/
IfCase(Replace([v_ARCalculated],/,,.), 3, 1, empty, 1.38, 1.33, 1.69, 1.66, 1.80, 1.78, 1.88, 1.85, 2.37, 2.35, 2.50, 2.39, 2.90, 2.76, 5.0, wide!)
edit: updated here

[arcspin]

YES, that one picked up crop values even better

[zybex]

You display expression uses the Tooltip font characters - it types the letter 'O' in that font to show the icon for 1.78 (1920x1080), for instance. If you still want to use that we can adjust the expression for these new values.

If you want to use the PNG files named after the different Aspect Ratios, you just need this:
- create a calculated field for that Expression above - for instance, [Aspect Ratio (Crop)]
- place the PNGs you listed above in MC's tooltip folder
- use this to invoke them

Code: [Select]

<img src="tooltip:Aspect [Aspect Ratio (Crop)]">

[arcspin]

WOHOOO, that did the trick.
(and I can see that the Media info values sometimes are wrong when comparing to the actually measurement)

I will drink a beer in honor of you and jmone wizardry knowledge ;o)

[zybex]

WOHOOO, that did the trick.
(and I can see that the Media info values sometimes are wrong when comparing to the actually measurement)

You can manually fix them in the [Crop] field value. Or you can clear the field to have the expression use [Aspect Ratio] or [Dimensions] instead.

I will drink a beer in honor of you and jmone wizardry knowledge ;o)

HA, I'll drink it m'self, thank you very much!

[arcspin]

If I understand this correctly.
This new way of directly measure crop values 120 seconds into the movie is the most accurate way of determent crop value and therefor aspect ratios.

The way I noticed that there are deviations is by comparing my older way of getting the aspect ratios versus this new more accurate way.

I actually blended me a Mai Tai instead of a beer 

[lello]

Hi,
I use the webpage
https://www.designevo.com/

to make my own icons

I tried to make a transparent icon in the same style as those in the tooltip folder, but I can't: can you?

[arcspin]

One more question then I stop bothering you.

If I would like to use the aspect ratio font icons in the font "Tooltip01" instead.
What would that expression look like.
I tried to past your above expression  into the equation to no avail

[arcspin]

I tried to make a transparent icon in the same style as those in the tooltip folder, but I can't: can you?

Hi,
I can try this weekend.
Perhaps we can make a joint venture in making new special superduper icons.

I have read up on the aspect ratios and I find the usual aspect ratios but.. are there this many different aspect ratios?
1.38, 1.33, 1.69, 1.66, 1.80, 1.78, 1.88, 1.85, 2.37, 2.35, 2.50, 2.39, 2.90, 2.76, 5.0

I have found this page that describes and names different aspect ratios
https://filmglossary.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/term/aspect-ratio/

It could be fun in naming the aspect ratios somewhat different as in the webpage above

[lello]

so if v_ARCalculated value is smaller than 2.25 then output 2.20
so whole deal is
if smaller than 1 output "empty"
if smaller than 1.38 output 1.33 (Note also 1.37 ratio is missing as I didn't bother to find / create icon)
if smaller than 1.69 then output 1.66
etc etc

[arcspin]

So, icons for all of the above aspect ratios and perhaps some more?

[zybex]

Like Lello is saying - only half of those values are AR. The formula is checking: if the calculated width/height (actualAR) is less than K1 then AR=AR1; if it's less than K2, then AR=AR2, etc.
So, the red ones are the allowed ARs, the black ones are thresholds:
1, empty, 1.38, 1.33, 1.69, 1.66, 1.80, 1.78, 1.88, 1.85, 2.37, 2.35, 2.50, 2.39, 2.90, 2.76, 5.0, wide!

For instance, for any movie with 1.80 <= actualAR < 1.88, use AR=1.85. You can adjust the black values to better fit your needs, but don't touch the red ones.

The 5.0 is a fallback - if the calculated value is above 2.90, just say "wide!".
Here's a more complete list from wikipedia - some of them are very rare:
current
current and obsolete

The wiki mentions a format of 12:1 !!! So you can change that 5.0 to 20.0, to cover all bases

[zybex]

To use the tooltip font this should work:

Code: [Select]

<font face="ToolTip01" size="160" color="#9496a3">ListItem(;M;N;O;P;Q;R;S;T, ListFind(empty;1.33;1.66;1.78;1.85;2.35;2.39;2.76;wide!, [Aspect Ratio (Crop)], 0, 1))<//font>
edit: < font> was missing

[arcspin]

Thanx Zybex,
Will try and it works like a charm

[arcspin]

Perhaps an icon like this?

[zybex]

or just some text:
[old]
[wide]
[wider]
[wider!]
[wider!!!]
[ultrawide]
[man, this is silly]

[zybex]

I tried to make a transparent icon in the same style as those in the tooltip folder, but I can't: can you?

Try Sketchpad: https://sketchpad.app/en/   (or https://sketch.io)

Or download Paint.Net or Krita which are much more powerful. You need to be able to delete the background to make it transparent. Sketch.io is transparent by default.

[arcspin]

Sketchpad looks really impressive.
I will for sure try that out!

Thanx for the tip

[lello]

Perhaps an icon like this?

I am using moe's so I would like to make it the same as this: https://moesrealm.com/MC/images/Aspect%202.35.png

[arcspin]

Here are some icons that looks like Moes.

See post further down for the icon pack

[lepa]

thanks arcspin, nice looking set

[zybex]

Thanks arcspin,
Perhaps you can add 3 icons with 4:3, 16:10, 16:9 as an alternative for these popular formats? Then people can just rename them to the expected filenames to use them (1.33/1.66/1.78)

... and nowadays with everyone filming on mobile, we might need to tweak the code and create icons for portrait home videos! 10:16 or 9:16...

[arcspin]

Of course.
Here is an even more updated zip-folder.
(* = updated 19 June, 10:03)
(** = updated 19 June 13:25)
(*** = updated 19 June 16:05)

The rectangle in each icon is proportionally wider as the aspect ratio changes.
I have titled them after their aspect ratio name.

1.33:1 (4:3) ACADEMY APERTURE
1.66:1 (16:10) EUROPEAN WIDESCREEN
1.78:1 (16:9) WIDESCREEN TELEVISION
1.85:1 AMERICAN WIDESCREEN
*2.00:1 SUPERSCOPE
*2.20:1 SUPER PANAVISION
2.35:1 ANAMORPHIC WIDESCREEN
*2.35:1 CINEMASCOPE
2.39:1 ANAMORPHIC WIDESCREEN
2.55:1 CINEMASCOPE
*2.65:1 CINERAMA
2.76:1 ULTRA PANAVISION
*2.80:1 ULTRA PANAVISION
*2.85:1 ULTRA PANAVISION

*** UNKNOWN
*** 1.00 SQUARE
*** WIDE
*** PORTRAIT

Code: [Select]

save(ifelse(not(isempty([crop])), Math(ListItem([Crop],0,:)//ListItem([Crop],1,:)),/
not(isempty([Aspect Ratio])), Math(Replace([Aspect Ratio],:,//)),/
1,Math(Replace([Dimensions],x,//))),v_ARCalculated)/
IfCase(Replace([v_ARCalculated],/,,.), 3, 0.30, unknown, 0.9, portrait, 1.17, 1.00, 1.5, 1.33, 1.72, 1.66, 1.82, 1.78, 1.93, 1.85, 2.1, 2.00, 2.28, 2.20, 2.37, 2.35, 2.47, 2.39, 2.6, 2.55, 2.71, 2.65, 2.99, 2.76, 20, wide)

[jmone]

Arcspin,
With SoT in that folder, you need to run it 'as administrator'.
Alternatively, just run it from somewhere else, like from a SOT folder in your Desktop.

Thanks for this advice as I'd never of worked out why it was not working for Arcspin!  Is the following correct (I'll add it to the OP Instructions):

You should unzip and run SOT in a User folder (such as Downloads or Desktop or even the root of the C: Drive.... BUT NOT "Program Files") else Windows will require SOT to be "run as administrator" for all functions to work correctly.