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MacBob

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MC and iTunes
« on: June 21, 2017, 07:17:08 pm »

I ripped CD using MC 22.0.108. The audio files were save as aiff. iTunes 12.6.1.25 will not import those files into the library, but is able to play them. Not sure what to do at this point. Please help.
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tutenchamun

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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2017, 12:16:34 am »

either convert or re-rip.
itunes needs aac, mp3 or applelossless

foobar2000 is a great converter for such tasks
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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2017, 04:08:28 am »

foobar2000 is a great converter for such tasks

foobar2000 isn't available on Mac.

JRiver Media Center itself can get the job done. For AIFF, I suggest converting to Apple Lossless (hence it's lossless) which iTunes can import and play.
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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2017, 06:06:11 am »

Going forward, you'll probably want to make a choice between MC and ITunes. Running them both requires a lot of decision making and workflow.  Just using one or the other makes things a lot easier.  Something to think about.

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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2017, 12:17:20 pm »

Reripped those same CDs but didn't make any difference. I ripped about 10 CDs and some were imported into iTunes without flaws. I was also able to add aiff files purchased from HDTracks without issue. When I rip the problem CDs with iTunes MC has no problem importing them. The only way I am able to get the problem CDs ripped by MC to work with iTunes was to allow iTunes to keep the media organized. Of course, this kills everything in MC. Wonder if this has anything to do with the way MC tags the files???
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MacBob

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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2017, 12:19:01 pm »

Cannot do without iTunes because of iPads and iPhones.  ::) ;D
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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2017, 08:29:28 pm »

Maybe I'm not clearly understanding the issue. I use dBpoweramp to rip my CDs to AIFF. I use ADD TO LIBRARY to bring the AIFF files into iTunes and AUTO IMPORT to bring them into JRiver. Is there something about the JRiver RIP function that would prevent browsing to the file location with iTunes ADD TO LIBRARY?
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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2017, 11:07:13 pm »

I ripped the CDs to AIFF with MC. Everything worked in MC. I used Add TO LIBRARY to bring the AIFF files into iTunes, but files didn't import. I can select and play each file using iTunes, but just cannot add anything to the iTunes library.
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blgentry

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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2017, 07:09:28 am »

It sounds like maybe there is no meta data written into the AIFF files.  So ITunes might be importing them, but with blank artists or blank albums, etc.  Do you get an error message when trying to import them?

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MacBob

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2017, 10:58:50 pm »

No error message. iTunes acted like it was importing the files, but didn't. I did a search by artist and song name and, nothing showed up. Today, I ripped a couple of different CDs and was able to add both to iTunes. One worked perfectly. The second showed up with no album artwork and missing album name. Not sure what to think of this.
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blgentry

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« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2017, 05:45:24 am »

Sounds like the AIFF files are not having the metadata written to them.  If ITunes will let you sort by filename, or drill down folder by folder, I'd bet you would find that all of your AIFF files are in ITunes.  Just without any metadata.

I can't remember how well AIFFs support metadata.  Probably better than WAV files; but I can't remember.

I suppose you could use ALAC instead, but that's got it's own set of considerations.

Good luck.

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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2017, 06:04:49 am »

I can't remember how well AIFFs support metadata.  Probably better than WAV files; but I can't remember.

AFAIK, AIFF does indeed support metadata (which, I can't recall). But it's an older format, that's for sure.

I suppose you could use ALAC instead, but that's got it's own set of considerations.

The only *real* consideration here, IMO, is compression. AIFF, if I recall correctly, is uncompressed raw PCM whereas ALAC is still PCM but uses lossless data compression (at a varying degree depending on user preference, if I recall correctly). Ultimately, they're both lossless* (and there's no loss converting from one to the other or vice versa) so it really shouldn't matter. But all Apple devices along with MC supports ALAC just fine.

I'd personally recommend using ALAC over AIFF - there's no sonic difference between them, and you can even save a little bit of storage space by using ALAC (even though large TB drives are cheap these days).

*Actually, AIFF (along with WAV) would be considered pure, raw PCM and would not be considered "lossless" because there's no data compression being used, but I digress.
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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2017, 01:24:12 pm »

AIFF does indeed allow metadata. That's what makes it superior to Wav. Otherwise the formats are the same in that they are both uncompressed.
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MacBob

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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2017, 01:30:20 pm »

blgentry - The part that throws me off is I did a search within iTunes and cannot find those files.


BubbaMike - Everything I read confirmed that AIFF allows metadata.


I am able to rip the CDs to AIFF using iTunes and add them to MC. Is there any disadvantage to doing it this way?
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2017, 02:33:32 pm »

I am able to rip the CDs to AIFF using iTunes and add them to MC. Is there any disadvantage to doing it this way?

Lack of any secure ripping in iTunes is a big one. I wouldn't ever use iTunes to rip discs because of that very reason. Instead I'd use MC itself (with secure ripping enabled) or XLD.
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Re: MC and iTunes
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2017, 06:35:46 pm »

Awesome Donkey - Thanks for the tip.

FYI - The problem went away after I changed iTunes Media Folder Location from /Users/username abc/Music to /Users/username abc/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music. ;D
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