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So you think Windows Defender is turned off? Wrong!
tzr916:
--- Quote from: RoderickGI on February 05, 2018, 05:17:10 pm ---Not really. If you look at Microsoft's Firewall, Antivirus, and Antimalware, you will see that it has all been rebranded as "Defender". So Windows Defender is never off if one of the three components is running. Which it is on every system reboot, at least for a while. (Unless turned off in a Group Policy I guess.)
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I guess... The antivirus scanner is now called "Virus & Threat Detection", while the firewall is now called "Windows Defender Firewall". Both can be accessed through "Defender Security Center", but they are two completely different parts that each have their separate functions and settings. One can certainly turn off antivirus without affecting firewall, by design.
While I understand the possible reasons someone might want to turn off file/process scanning (cpu cycles, disk activity, etc)... Can someone explain what reason there would be to turn off/uninstall the firewall? Basically allow all programs, and open all ports. Isn't that way way more dangerous than turning off virus scanning?
But if someone is feeling brave: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM9n6I7_X8U
RoderickGI:
--- Quote from: tzr916 on February 05, 2018, 06:11:18 pm ---I guess...
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While the menu item may be called "Virus & Threat Detection" in the "Windows Defender Security Center", once you click into that menu item it is called "Windows Defender Antivirus". There is also "Windows Defender SmartScreen", not to forget that all the Exploit Protection components have been moved into the "Windows Defender Security Center", plus Parental Controls. It's a rebranding of what were multiple components, and the first step to combining them into one User Interface.
All security suites I have ever used allowed either or both the Firewall and Antivirus to be turned off when required. Almost all started as separate applications. Certainly, Norton did, and then the User Interface was blended.
--- Quote from: tzr916 on February 05, 2018, 06:11:18 pm ---Can someone explain what reason there would be to turn off/uninstall the firewall?
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Because I have another Firewall and don't want two running. That would be worse than running double NAT in a network setup. Two sets of rules to maintain, unless they are automatically synchronised. Two Firewalls to manage when trying to identify problems. No thanks.
tzr916:
IMO, you should consider changing the title of the topic to:
"So you think Windows Defender Firewall is turned off? Wrong, unless you actually go into GPE and turn it off"
JimH:
I think you could just say, "Do you have a problem with antivirus software?" ;)
RoderickGI:
Well, you already have an Antivirus thread Jim, and it's not just Antivirus these days. In fact, it's not even just Antivirus and Firewall software. While much of the security software is related to one or the other, and more often Firewall capabilities, there is a growing suite of tools that are neither one or the other.
I could have used the title "Do you use a third party security suite on Windows 10 but still have problems with security software functions such as applications, processes, and sites being blocked when not expected?" But that is a bit long.
I don't care if technically the Defender Firewall can be turned off via Windows Policies. I don't want users stuck with a problem to only think about their Firewall or Antivirus software. I want them to think Security Software, and specifically, that Windows Defender thing that I disabled so is absolutely, definitely, NOT the problem I am describing here to you so no, I'm not going to check it or turn it off, but I want you, a fellow user, to fix it for me NOW! Because that is what some of these threads seem to be about these days.
I had hard evidence that Windows Defender was still interfering with Media Center even though I use another security suite, so I shared that evidence and expanded on it a bit.
The message is simple: In Windows 10 today, if you see any issues, assume that Windows Defender is always running.
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