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So you think Windows Defender is turned off? Wrong!
RD James:
--- Quote from: Elvis133 on February 06, 2018, 01:11:39 am ---You mean the update with fixed a security hole that seems to be not very relevant for the regular user, that screwed up a lot of machines, and that even intel recommends you wait with installing? Doesn't seem like the best example.
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You're confusing separate issues.
Meltdown is a significant problem which allows any program running on your PC - which includes things like Javascript running in a web browser - to read the entire contents of memory.
So you could visit a website running a malicious advert, and it could read the contents of your system's memory - which includes things like passwords stored in the browser's password manager or login credentials to any of the sites you have open; e.g. a banking site.
The Spectre fix, which required BIOS updates containing new microcode updates from Intel, is bad.
Intel pushed out bad code that had not been properly tested, and it's causing stability issues for older processors.
The good news is that Spectre is not currently a major concern for consumers like Meltdown was - not right now at least - but is still a potential risk for people using cloud-hosted services on shared machines.
Additionally, Microsoft's update could cause boot issues on older AMD processors using certain motherboards. That has since been fixed.
--- Quote from: Elvis133 on February 06, 2018, 01:11:39 am ---I am so tired of the "we know better than you" attitude MS has in win10. They often don't, and even if they do, so what? Let people do stupid stuff if they insist. I think more people would run windows defender if they actually let you turn off the real time scan, without turning it on again, against the will of the user. Stuff like this has its cost as well, countless hours of work has been lost due to MS policies.
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For the people who actually have a reason to disable these features, you can do so via the Group Policy Editor/registry.
Anyone who has to be told how to do these things via an online forum is not one of those people, and it's very bad advice to be giving out.
flac.rules:
--- Quote from: RD James on February 06, 2018, 09:46:40 am ---You're confusing separate issues.
Meltdown is a significant problem which allows any program running on your PC - which includes things like Javascript running in a web browser - to read the entire contents of memory.
So you could visit a website running a malicious advert, and it could read the contents of your system's memory - which includes things like passwords stored in the browser's password manager or login credentials to any of the sites you have open; e.g. a banking site.
The Spectre fix, which required BIOS updates containing new microcode updates from Intel, is bad.
Intel pushed out bad code that had not been properly tested, and it's causing stability issues for older processors.
The good news is that Spectre is not currently a major concern for consumers like Meltdown was - not right now at least - but is still a potential risk for people using cloud-hosted services on shared machines.
Additionally, Microsoft's update could cause boot issues on older AMD processors using certain motherboards. That has since been fixed.
For the people who actually have a reason to disable these features, you can do so via the Group Policy Editor/registry.
Anyone who has to be told how to do these things via an online forum is not one of those people, and it's very bad advice to be giving out.
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Am i? What separate issues am i confusing? Spectre and meltdown? You mentioned both. Its a great example of how waiting with the update probably was the best choice.
Yeah, if MS actually respected the changes you do in gpedit in a meaningful way, instead of changing it with feature updates, or you have to turn it off several places in a non-intuitive way. And that is if you have the pro version. MS is acting arrogant, and I don't understand why so many people support this arrogance, let people do it if they want, and they can take the consequences, instead of somebody insisting they know better.
millst:
Although, I agree MS is being heavy handed...it's not as simple as let stupid people be stupid, because these things don't just impact the stupid people e.g. some botnet taking down half the Internet
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RoderickGI:
An update. Windows 10 version 1803 (OS Build 17134.885)
I have been tracking down an issue with Apps not connecting to a MC Server on my Workstation from my Android phone since yesterday. I won't go into details here, other than to say that I am still using Norton (Internet Security now) Firewall and Antivirus.
One of the things I noticed was that Norton had a Firewall rule allowing Windows Defender Smartscreen access. So I blocked that, because Defender is turned off in my PC, and Norton handles all that, right? See first image.
I then tried to install the latest version of MC and received the message shown in the second image. Windows Defender Smartscreen can't access the internet, because I have blocked it.
Windows Defender is never off.
Even after the PC has booted and been running for some time, components of it are still running.
Yes, you can turn off Windows Defender Smartscreen separately to the Firewall and Antivirus functions.
Using a third-party security solution should be easier than this.
Hendrik:
There are a dozen things under the "Windows Defender" brand, really. Smart Screen is really a stand-alone thing that validates unknown executables when you run them, its not directly related to the Windows Defender Antivirus, other then in name.
You can turn off smart screen, but it has a seperate option from Windows Defender.
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