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[cgott42]

I'm looking to mount an android tablet in my car to listen to lectures while driving.  Can someone confirm if the android app can do the following:

• view mp3 files by folder (as the files won't have metadata so I'd prefer to see them by the folder hierarchy as it's a huge library sorted by topics, sub topics
• finger swipe left /right to rewind the audio e.g 30 seconds/ fast forward - it's important that it is done by finger swipe to avoid distraction while driving
• after shut down to resume play within the .mp3 file where I left off
• (not a must, but very helpful) to automatically sync update the files with my home PC once I bring it in the house - so that all files can be stored on the tablet (in case I'm out of range of internet signal)
• (again not a must) play files located on my home PC (running jriver for windows)

[JimH]

It's probably not a good fit at this time.

[syndromeofadown]

I have been trying out each build.

On my FiiO X5 III MC will only open if I immediately put it in the background so it can do it's thing without the wait/close prompt from android. When it does open it only shows files from one of the two SD cards.

On my Nokia phone MC opens fine but still doesn't see the audio on my SD card, which is where all of my audio is.

I look forward to testing with my full library showing up.

[JimH]

On my Nokia phone MC opens fine but still doesn't see the audio on my SD card, which is where all of my audio is.

Try uninstalling and reinstalling. 

What is the name of the folder?

[NiklasJ]

Given the active development of android set top boxes such as the nvidia shield etc I really hope to be able to step off the windows train permanently in the future. I would wish that you make a full featured jriver for Android. Without the required knowledge and as a layman it would seem pretty easy, given your knowledge, to adjust the existing Debian version code to android for us with big screen an-devices. Then for small screens allow the user to connect thru panel, gizmo , dlna or any other halfa**ed interface... for now I will go for gizmo on the set top box and a Debian server in the wardrobe. Holding all thumbs crossed,,  br /Nick

[Awesome Donkey]

Without the required knowledge and as a layman it would seem pretty easy, given your knowledge, to adjust the existing Debian version code to android for us with big screen an-devices.

It's not that simple. Linux and Android, even though Android uses the Linux kernel, are two completely different things. If it was as easy to port the Linux (Debian) version of MC to Android, they would've years ago.

That said, JRiver for Android is still in the early days. It'll take time for all the intended features to come and it won't happen overnight... it can't happen overnight. They basically have to rewrite parts of the code so it works on Android (in addition to the other platforms JRiver supports; Windows, macOS and Linux where applicable). It's a very time consuming process, but there's progress being made.

[NiklasJ]

Ok, I did not know. @jriver, sorry for my ignorance. But still, I think jriver has the opportunity now, focused on the audiophile market, to increase the client base quite a bit if good Android versions are released. Unfortunately, for me as a long-time jriver enthusiast, and for jriver, there is lot of competition growing very fast, and I feel if things dont start moving fast here, the competition will have a head-start hard to impossible to recover. Hoping for the best. //Nick

[syndromeofadown]

I have been trying out each build.

On my FiiO X5 III MC will only open if I immediately put it in the background so it can do it's thing without the wait/close prompt from android. When it does open it only shows files from one of the two SD cards.

On my Nokia phone MC opens fine but still doesn't see the audio on my SD card, which is where all of my audio is.

I look forward to testing with my full library showing up.

All of my audio is in "Music" folders
I uninstalled and reinstalled on both devices as suggested by Jim.
MC on my Nokia phone is now showing the music on my SD card. Very nice.

On my FiiO X5III (with latest FiiO updates) MC doesn't display anything. MC opens but the screen is just white. Even when left for hours. I will try again when the next version is released. It may also be worth testing it with less music on the SD cards, there's currently 240GB. I will try if time permits.

[biblio]

Could the white screen be ram related?

I have a 1gb tablet that doesn't load MC at all.
the FiiO you mention has the same amount and the same whitescreen problem.

I don't think it has anything to do with the amount of music as the tablet has barely an album on it.

[Awesome Donkey]

I'd say it's likely web browser related. Do FiiO devices have a web browser installed? Panel depends on having a web browser and either not having one or it not being a good one *could* cause that issue.

[BradATIMA]

On my FiiO X5III (with latest FiiO updates) MC doesn't display anything. MC opens but the screen is just white. Even when left for hours. I will try again when the next version is released. It may also be worth testing it with less music on the SD cards, there's currently 240GB. I will try if time permits.

I have a 1gb tablet that doesn't load MC at all.
the FiiO you mention has the same amount and the same whitescreen problem.

Have you tried closing the main UI screen and then recreating it by tapping the notification window?

[biblio]

I'd say it's likely web browser related. Do FiiO devices have a web browser installed? Panel depends on having a web browser and either not having one or it not being a good one *could* cause that issue.

My tablet issue was actually just that the tablet is slow, i waited about 30 seconds and it loaded.
Subsequent loads were much faster.

[syndromeofadown]

Have you tried closing the main UI screen and then recreating it by tapping the notification window?

There is no notification window. I tried again with today's release on my Fiio X5III. Same results.
When I go to Apps in the Android settings to check the ram being used. JRiver doesn't show up in the list of active apps.

[JimH]

What version of Android does the Fiio run?

[PvanBruckeNZ]

I've a LGV10 and LGV20 - nice phones.

Great phones! I'm using the LGV30 with USBPro as a media player and JRemote to run my home media server. USBPro gives full access to the DAC regardless of what headphones/IEMs are connected and plays everything at it's highest resolution, including 24/192 .wav/FLAC .DSD and MQA files. Would love to be able to stream a HiRes JRiver playlist on my phone, so I'm keen to pursue Radio JRiver. Hopefully it will play at a good resolution too.

[tjobbins]

I just saw Jim's post on the old thread saying "Android TV coming soon".

This sounds fantastic, at least if it means what I hope it means.

What I hope for from an Android TV compatible JRiver:
* Native playback, on the device, using the device's own GPU/codecs
* Some kind of Theatre View interface for browsing the media with remote control.

Could anyone confirm if this is what's meant by "Android TV coming soon"?  If so, then the minute it's released I will immediately be buying at least three copies.  I have three "Android boxes" around the house; specifically, the H96 Pro Plus, which is based on the S912 Octa-Core chip, with 3GB RAM, 32GB ROM, and a Mali GPU capable of H264 and H265 decoding at up to 4K.  Though in practice I only use 1080p files.

In fact, if I can get my media playing on devices like this, I might buy more than three copies - I could maybe even replace my HTPC with this, as I don't do any fancy upscaling or MadVR stuff.  I just want the ability to connect to my JRiver library, then play H264/H265 1080p files with local video decode (not decoded on the server, not transcoded), and output it via HDMI to my TV.

If/when JRiver Android can do this, I will be very happy   Right now my Android boxes connect use Kodi and connect to Media Center via DLNA, but this has lots of disadvantages.

[Awesome Donkey]

The only problem is, those "Android TV" boxes aren't actually running the Android TV OS, but the stock Android OS with a third-party launcher (to mimic the official Android TV launcher to some extent), so I'm not sure if an Android TV-compatible app will actually work on a "Android TV" box with an Android TV-compatible interface. If anything on those boxes, you'd likely just get the standard Android interface used on Android phones and tablets, for example.

JRiver for Android with an Android TV-compatible interface will likely work with a Nvidia Shield TV or a Mi Box, since those are official Android TV boxes running the official Android TV OS.

[tjobbins]

The only problem is, those "Android TV" boxes aren't actually running the Android TV OS, but the stock Android OS with a third-party launcher (to mimic the official Android TV launcher to some extent), so I'm not sure if an Android TV-compatible app will actually work on a "Android TV" box with an Android TV-compatible interface. If anything on those boxes, you'd likely just get the standard Android interface used on Android phones and tablets, for example.

JRiver for Android with an Android TV-compatible interface will likely work with a Nvidia Shield TV or a Mi Box, since those are official Android TV boxes running the official Android TV OS.

That's true.  There is actually a (community-made) Android TV build for my box, though I don't use it because it's so limiting compared to normal Android.

So, yes, let me amend my feature requests   In order to be useful on my setup, whatever interface JRiver Android provides would need to:

• Not require Android TV.  If it's possible to make an app that runs on both TV and normal Android, that'd be ideal (not sure if that's possible)
• Or, two builds - one for TV and one normal Android.
• I would think the non-TV one would be reasonably easy to produce once a TV one is available? Just strip out the special TV APIs with the home screen integration, and let it run as a normal full-screen app?
• Be navigable with the standard key presses, eg up/down/left/right + enter/OK as with standard Theatre View.  Then it can work with whatever kind of remote control device the user throws at it.

If that can be done (eventually), then that would be perfect: it'd work on both Android TV and non-TV devices, which would include the full gamut of "android boxes".

If the new build is Android TV specific then I will certainly give it a go, installing the TV build instead of the normal Android build to try it out.  However it will be pretty limiting, so I doubt I will be able to stick with it. 

The reason Android TV is so limiting is that the majority of streaming/catch-up TV apps do not have an Android TV version.  At least they didn't last I checked.  There's a Netflix, YouTube and BBC iPlayer, but not any of the other UK TV stations (ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, UKTV).  I don't think there's an Amazon Prime app, either.  The iPlayer app only exists because NVidia sponsored it for the Shield, I believe.

This limits my ability with Android TV to provide a single device that can both play my pre-recorded media, and access all the streaming services we use.

To be honest, if I'd had to choose between supporting normal Android or Android TV, I'd have gone for the former.  I don't have hard data to back this up, but my feeling is there are more likely purchasers of J River in the former category.  The Shield is a great device, but very expensive.  There's a huge userbase out there with the sort of "android box" that I have - evidenced in part by the YouTube channels reviewing them with hundreds of thousands of subscribers.  And a lot of people have devices like the Amazon Fire TV, on which it's possible to sideload apps (they do it all the time with Kodi) but which don't run Android TV and never will.  Being able to advertise JRiver as a better alternative to Kodi could bring in a lot of users.

Anyway that's just my guess, I might be wrong.  My main point is that I do hope that JRiver Android won't specifically require Android TV, because that will certainly limit my own interest in it, and I think that applies to a lot of other potential users as well.

Either way, I'll definitely be interested to try out the software when it's ready.

[Awesome Donkey]

I don't think there's an Amazon Prime app, either.

There is now. Amazon and Google worked out their differences, so the Prime Video app is now widely available on Android TV and likewise the YouTube app is available again on Fire TV sticks and other Amazon Fire products.

The only real gotcha with true Android TV boxes is the lack of a modern Hulu app, since Hulu can't be bothered to update their Android TV app. You can sideload the normal Hulu Android app and it'll work somewhat, but fortunately my TV's Hulu app is up-to-date and works fine as a substitute. Another gotcha, and this is mainly with the current Nvidia Shield TV boxes, is the hardware doesn't support HDR for VP9, meaning you can't get HDR YouTube working if it uses VP9. Again, fortunately, my TV's YouTube app does support it and it works perfectly as a substitute, so both of those gotchas are non-issues for me. It's worth noting the Nvidia Shield TV is the best Kodi box out there (outside of a HTPC) performance wise, not even the few different H96s based on the S912 chips I have come close. Not even the Mi Box S official Android TV box comes close performance wise to the Shield TV box. I do hope a new revision of the Shield TV is released within a year or two with a newer chip (and hardware support for VP9 HDR). I also hope Hulu gets their darn act together and properly updates their Android TV app.

I have a feeling when MC for Android gains support for Android TV, it'll likely only support the official Android TV boxes, and not those other "Android TV" boxes.

[rec head]

If the Android TV can act as a client and have a 10ft interface or at least be easily navigated by a normal remote control I can see a few copies getting sold for my household.

[Hendrik]

If the Android TV can act as a client and have a 10ft interface or at least be easily navigated by a normal remote control I can see a few copies getting sold for my household.

As a simple client with a 10ft interface, we're aiming to add that to the new version of JRemote for Android as well, which should be coming out near the end of summer (Android TV and expanded video functionality might be slightly later).

[rec head]

Great news. MO4media works on the Shield but the interface just isn't that great. Having an Android TV app will really expand how I use MC.

[Chronic]

How is the app at picking up playlists exported from MC25?

Also, is there any screenshots available, different themes etc?

I'm currently using RocketPlayer which I like as it has a dark theme and easy scan to find new music/playlists.

[JimH]

There are a couple of screenshots on the Play Store.  There are only two themes.  Light and dark.  It resembles Panel.

[clidaw]

Just bought the app this morning and it does work. I could play files from clouddrive, the phone and JRiver radio, but that was about it. The problems I had were the tools (where I assumed that at least some of the things in DSP studio on the main program were located) and help options were grayed out and the program wouldn't read playlists exported from the desktop program, although the music was there. I also couldn't figure out the order of the clouddrive uploads or any way to sort them. Hopefully future builds will improve things, especially the DSP and playlist issues, because in its current state there isn't any way this program compares to USB Audio Pro or Poweramp as a media player.

[BradATIMA]

Just bought the app this morning and it does work. I could play files from clouddrive, the phone and JRiver radio, but that was about it. The problems I had were the tools (where I assumed that at least some of the things in DSP studio on the main program were located) and help options were grayed out and the program wouldn't read playlists exported from the desktop program, although the music was there. I also couldn't figure out the order of the clouddrive uploads or any way to sort them. Hopefully future builds will improve things, especially the DSP and playlist issues, because in its current state there isn't any way this program compares to USB Audio Pro or Poweramp as a media player.

There is no way to configure DSP studio options at the moment; however, playlists should work fine. JRiver for Android will import playlists it finds automatically. Make sure the playlists aren't in a root level folder, and the folder they are in needs to be appropriately named. When it imports them, they will show up in the playlists section under Imported Playlists.

[clidaw]

There is no way to configure DSP studio options at the moment; however, playlists should work fine. JRiver for Android will import playlists it finds automatically. Make sure the playlists aren't in a root level folder, and the folder they are in needs to be appropriately named. When it imports them, they will show up in the playlists section under Imported Playlists.

Could you be more specific about where the playlist file is supposed to go? When I currently download the file from the desktop version of JR25 it goes to a playlist folder on the root directory of the internal storage drive. Other media programs like Poweramp get the playlists from there without any issues. I tried copying the playlist file from the root to the music folder, but that didn't work either.

[JimH]

Try Music/Playlists.

[clidaw]

I still couldn't get the program to read playlists from music files downloaded from my PC to the phone. The android program shows the name of the playlist (in a music/playlist directory as suggested), but it is empty. I downloaded it using the M3U Playlist (extended) option. That option did work with playlists created from cloudplay files. The program read those just fine, showed all the songs and I was able to play them. Given that there aren't any DSP options yet, I would only use this program for those playlists anyway.

[BradATIMA]

I still couldn't get the program to read playlists from music files downloaded from my PC to the phone. The android program shows the name of the playlist (in a music/playlist directory as suggested), but it is empty. I downloaded it using the M3U Playlist (extended) option. That option did work with playlists created from cloudplay files. The program read those just fine, showed all the songs and I was able to play them. Given that there aren't any DSP options yet, I would only use this program for those playlists anyway.

If you can see the playlist, but it appears to be empty, it probably means the paths to the files are wrong. If the playlist file is using relative paths and was moved, the paths will need to be adjusted.

[Chronic]

I also can't find playlists via the JRiver app, I've tried setting the 'Playlist Path' as Music\Playlists\

The app is also picking up seemingly random music from my JRiver library (not on my phone/SD card) I assume via WiFi, yet it's only certain tracks.

[BradATIMA]

I also can't find playlists via the JRiver app, I've tried setting the 'Playlist Path' as Music\Playlists\

The app is also picking up seemingly random music from my JRiver library (not on my phone/SD card) I assume via WiFi, yet it's only certain tracks.

Just to be clear, playlist imported by JRiver for Android will show up in the Imported Playlists section on the Playlists page, but imported smartlists will show up on the Playlists page. Is there an Imported Playlists section on the Playlist page? Is there anything in that section? Do you see the playlists but they're empty? What format are the playlists (m3u, mpl, etc.)?

JRiver for Android will try to filter out some audio files, like ringtones and alerts, but it won't necessarily filter them all out. You can remove them from the library with the file context menu.

[Chronic]

The only playlists on the playlists page are 'Recently Imported' 'Recently Played' and 'Top Hits'.

When I go to Artist or Album it shows the music I have on the SD card on my phone, plus a few artists from MC library. It's mostly just one track for each of the MC library artists, not the complete library. I thought maybe it's synced with one of my playlists in MC but it seems quite random.

[manop]

How to play from my flash drive?  ?

[JimH]

Not possible at this time.

[wilfredjg]

Can't import playlists. Other music programs on my phone have no problem.