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DSD native via HDMI
landolfi:
Thanks for the reply!
I was just about to post that it took some doing, but I figured out that what looked like a big blank area at the top of the screen was actually the box listing the servers added. I couldn't see the list because every time JRiver showed that window, the list and the buttons were off the top of screen at my resolution.
So I did just as you describe, associated the Marantz with the added DLNA server, but it still doesn't work no matter what settings I use, DLNA/no DLNA, DLNA Extra/No DLNA Extra, Bitstream or no bitstream, etc. My setup is HDMI from an HTPC in to the Marantz. The only way I can get it to play SACD is to use the Player, but in that case I'm not using DLNA. Also using the player, it seems not to always recognize multichannel SACDs, Sometimes it works, but sometimes it's 2 channels. Foobar plays the same tracks that JRiver thinks are 2-channel just fine as 6-channel.
I'm using a Geforce GTX 1050Ti to send HDMI to the Marantz, maybe all this has something to do with that?
Awesome Donkey:
As mentioned above in my first reply, you can't get DSD/SACD over HDMI working when using a computer like a PC, Mac, Raspberry Pi, etc. The GPU (doesn't matter if it's AMD, Nvidia, Intel, etc.) literally doesn't support DSD/SACD (or bitstreaming it), so it's not going to work that way.
Your only options for DSD are connecting it via USB (usually this is for USB DACs, I doubt the Marantz receiver supports this) and bitstreaming either native DSD or DoP, or (more than likely for the Marantz receiver) using DSD-over-DLNA aka DoPE. But it's not going to work over HDMI that way.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,122704.msg849603.html#msg849603
https://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/DSD#DSD_Over_DLNA
landolfi:
So DSD-over-DLNA implies I can only get bitstream DSD on a client? Which is fine and what I was originally trying to do. I had the impression that the discussion just above (i.e., The Crow's instructions) would work for me too. But apparently that is true only when I am connecting to the JRiver server over DLNA, if I am understanding correctly, because I am using HDMI.
Any idea why my 6-channel stuff is playing as 2-channel and why I sometimes can play 176kHz tracks and sometimes it insists on downsampling to 96kHz? Maybe because some of them are recognized as 6-channel (the ones it wants to downsample) and some aren't (the ones it plays as stereo)? I was at first confused why it wanted to downsample everything until I realized that my sound card only supports up to 192kHz.
Thanks for the help.
EDIT: I think I have found my own answer reading an older discussion here about ISO not being supported over DLNA. I am trying to play SACD ISOs. It appears that my choices are now: Create DFFs/DSFs from the ISO images or allow JRiver to convert them to PCM. Any suggestion on which will sound better? All I care about is good sound quality. Will DFF/DSF allow the receiver to do the DA conversion?
I think the ISO image may be the reason I sometimes get 2-channel when multichannel is available, depending on the organization of the ISO image and which MC sees first.
kr4:
--- Quote from: landolfi on November 07, 2019, 04:25:36 pm ---EDIT: I think I have found my own answer reading an older discussion here about ISO not being supported over DLNA. I am trying to play SACD ISOs. It appears that my choices are now: Create DFFs/DSFs from the ISO images or allow JRiver to convert them to PCM. Any suggestion on which will sound better?
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I prefer the former for convenience although I often allow JRiver to convert them to PCM on-the-fly in order to use DSP.
--- Quote ---Will DFF/DSF allow the receiver to do the DA conversion?
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Yes, if the receiver is capable of it.
eddyshere:
--- Quote from: Awesome Donkey on October 24, 2019, 05:03:25 pm ---Never had a DAC which supported that (DSD over ethernet)
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It's not quite "ethernet" in an IP sense but more a i2s link which happens to be over RJ45 cable. Denon used that under their specific "denon link". It allowed DSD bitstreaming between their universal bluray player and AV receiver with very low jitter
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