Topic: To the OGG fan club (Read 4451 times)

zevele10 · « **on:** March 16, 2003, 02:13:05 pm »

So MP3 Lame 192 VRB on my left --OGG 6 on my right

The same songs ,albums

Average soundcard -very good but very old and tired amp with a volume knob only ,no bass ,no treble knob-very good speakers-volume 7,8.

I feel that the sound is more 'round', 'plain'
And that the trebles are much less unbearabe
I very much prefer OGG.

At average people volume level ,the difference is not that big.

Now ,waiting for a kind of "oggUtlility" ,"SuperTag ogg" and all the small indee programs so nice when you use mp3.
Players will come very soon ,i am sure
And RealOne will have ogg in no time

ChicoSelfs · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2003, 02:27:48 pm »

I think that Xen-Uno will like to hear that, i also give preference to Ogg over Mp3

michel · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2003, 12:28:50 am »

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Now ,waiting for a kind of "oggUtlility" ,"SuperTag ogg" and all the small indee programs so nice when you use mp3.
Players will come very soon ,i am sure
And RealOne will have ogg in no time

Why since MC can do it very well (tag and play) ?

(I have thousand of ogg files, all tagged with MC)

zevele10 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 26, 2003, 06:00:33 am »

Another good raison to use ogg: SPEED

i did the same cd in 2 formats:
secure rip to ogg= 5 minutes and 14 seconds
----------------Lame 192VRB=12 minutes and 45 seconds..

Michel my young boy:
As you ,i know about copy/paste songs names and sleeves using MC.
But there is more sosphisticated programs out -not working with ogg , yes -
Let say car with motor versus car with pedals......

xen-uno · « **Reply #4 on:** March 26, 2003, 06:24:11 am »

, Z,

Welcome to the club, brother. One thousand hallelujah's to you. You have graduated and moved to the next level. There's quite a few compilations of the oggenc.exe's out there...PIII optimized, P4 optimized, Garf tuned (GT), maybe even a multithreaded (multiprocessor) version. All write to the ogg

(technically vorbis) version 1 standard. Personally I encode at -q 8.

10^-27

michel · « **Reply #5 on:** March 26, 2003, 06:24:25 am »

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Let say car with motor versus car with pedals......

Zev my old friend,

You mean MC is an ecological software ? I agree with you. As you know, MC are my initials so I never would use MM or RJ.

JimH, you should offer a special training to Zev since he confessed me a few days ago he find MC too complicated so he switches to MM before to return to MC again with guilt feelings.

zevele10 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 26, 2003, 07:26:09 am »

Firs i have to say that Michel- yes the one posting non-senses on this forum- converted me to ogg.
So praise to him

-=-You mean MC is an ecological software =-=-

I was sure of this answer, but really not sure because i smoke so much trying to master Mc that it polute more than a car
And yes i find MC to complicate -really there i a need for the help files- overcrowded and there is few small things i REALLY dislike.

And yes i use a lot MM for tags and sleeves - if mp3-
And yes i use RealOne to get cd infos
And yes i do not use MC to rip
And yes the SuperTags in MM ,makes me still unsure about to stick 100% to ogg format

And yes if a MJ9 out with some of the music features of MC9 and the same interface than MJ8 ,i may reverse to it.

But who care? Before MJ7 i was a happy superb idiot using RealOne and ripping to Xing 192.
And my life was nice as today

LanManCan · « **Reply #7 on:** March 26, 2003, 09:21:11 am »

Make a test set of MPC and you'll never go back to MP3 or OGG ...

zevele10 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 26, 2003, 09:29:44 am »

You are RIGHT
But tell me what i do with my MPC , beside playing them on my computer ?

Because of it i am still unsure about ogg versus mp3.
But i know that very soon ogg players will be out.
And at the same time ,i'am sure that NEVER will a MPC player out.

iLstening to: 'You're a Big Girl Now' from 'Blood on the Tracks' by 'Bob Dylan' on Media Center 9.0-MPC 209 kps

LanManCan · « **Reply #9 on:** March 26, 2003, 02:45:34 pm »

Good point but I now only listen thru my home stereo setup (CDs in the car). There are several car units that use Winamp as the interface that will work with MPC. I'm kinda waiting for MC to mature a little and watching the LCD plugin progress with much interest.

The difference in quality between MP3, OGG or anything else and MPC is just huge. It's worth it to me to use EAC and rip an image with a cue sheet and re-encode my favorites to WMA or MP-pro for a portable setup if necessary. I will make the car rig work with MPC. If no commercial manufacturer wises up, the car unit will be built with a removable hard drive anyway (laptop drive is only 2.5") that could pretty easily be plugged into a portable setup.

xen-uno · « **Reply #10 on:** March 26, 2003, 04:04:31 pm »

> The difference in quality between MP3, OGG or anything else and MPC is just huge

C'mon...get real. That statement is enough to make me get

, cause I know you haven't ABX'd between MP3 @ alt pre std (LAME 3.90/3.92), ogg @ -q 7, and mpc at a similiar quality setting. Compare apples to apples and you'll be (extremely) hard pressed to hear a difference between any of them. While fervently cheerleading for a particular format is nice (like that xen-uno character does)...let's not go overboard.

10^-27

LanManCan · « **Reply #11 on:** March 26, 2003, 04:34:17 pm »

Sorry 'bout your weak tummy, deary, and that awful achey and bloated feeling you must have as well. (Mommie, the nasty lady is scaring me.)

I get more REAL every glorious day. Have tested a dozen bitrates and various option combos on a dozen formats and there is always one winner. No hard pressing necessary.

I do own a 10% VA disability for hearing loss sustained during my 7 years in the Navy but MPC at q6 xlevel blows the doors off ANYTHING, that is EVERYTHING else.

MPC Rules. No brag, just fact and Zero cheerleading is necessary.

xen-uno · « **Reply #12 on:** March 26, 2003, 05:07:04 pm »

Must be the placebo effect then, because if your ears are that bad then why bother testing "a dozen bitrates and various option combos on a dozen formats". You've HEARD (sources unknown) that mpc is so much better than any other format so therefore in your mind it is. Can you really say it was the format? Or did you buy silver speaker wire for the mpc test?

Anyhow I've got excellent hearing and have abx'd identical tunes in mp3 and ogg encoded as mentioned earlier and compared them to a pretty good format known as ape (yeah...I know it's lossless...but they say that's a good thing). All 3 sounded durn close...virtually indistinguishable on good equipment. So there you have it...hardly the last word on the subject, but it is my fair, objective, reality based opinion.

10^-27

PS: I think I'll wax a few Fords with my Chevy on the way home tonight. CHEVY RULES!

LanManCan · « **Reply #13 on:** March 26, 2003, 05:16:45 pm »

Must be such a burden being so superior.

xen-uno · « **Reply #14 on:** March 26, 2003, 05:36:24 pm »

It's not really. I just enjoy squashing Overzealous Claims that have no merit, while doing so in a nice, courteous manner. Believe me...I've made a few OC's in my time that were promptly corrected by local mercenaries, and I'm a better man now because of it.

10^-27

michel · « **Reply #15 on:** March 26, 2003, 11:55:02 pm »

If LanManCan can really heard such a difference between MPC and ogg (at the same average bitrate and with ogg 1.0 - not a previous beta version) he is right using MPC.

On my side I can say that nobody I know can differenciate ogg q7 (even q6 in most cases) and mpc files. So to say that there is a *huge* difference between both formats (at the same average bitrate, last version) is may be true for LanManCan but probably false for almost listeners.

jakobluck · « **Reply #16 on:** March 27, 2003, 12:23:22 am »

seeing as most of the guys @ hydrogenaudio and r3mix can't abx between aps (on songs, not those certain samples), i doubt that anybody here can abx between an mpc and a alt-preset extreme encoded song (not one of the problem samples).

jakobluck · « **Reply #17 on:** March 27, 2003, 12:25:58 am »

also, zevele, you might want to try doing a blind test between an alt-preset standard mp3 and ogg 6 instead of using a LAME VBR.

LanManCan · « **Reply #18 on:** March 27, 2003, 02:51:53 am »

To clarify somewhat, it's more the brightness of MPC (for lack of a better term) that is superior for me. I don't think it's the high end response it's probably just a combo of attributes. In fact, I prefer the MPC sound of several of my favorite albums to the sound of playing the original CD.

But then again, maybe someone just told me that and I believed them......whoa.....again today folks, be aware that a High Pomposity Advisory has been posted.....

ChicoSelfs · « **Reply #19 on:** March 27, 2003, 04:09:45 am »

As you all know i'm too a huge fan of MPC but in my computer is 40% Mpc's 30% Ogg's 20% Mp3's and 10% Wma, now i'm changing all my Wma's ( V2 and V8 ) to Mpc's or Ogg's, but the already existen Ogg files i will not change then, they were encoded using GT2 @ 350Kbps mode and they sound very good, i can't tell btw them and Mpc --quality6 7 or 8 --xlevel. i will use more often Ogg to encode my files specially when Garf makes the GT3 final. Use what you want and what makes you happy but don't make a flame war, i love Mpc but je adore Ogg and Mp3

Rands · « **Reply #20 on:** March 27, 2003, 06:43:05 am »

What I've noticed is that, unlike MP3s, OGG/MPC files don't buckle or start showing artifacts when passed through effects processors which is nice when working with prepared samples in audio/music production (and where, of course, lossy compression is acceptable).

OGG/MPC is, in general, better than MP3 both on the ears (more expansive sound stage, better high frequency support, etc.) and in general utility. Most anyone with a good ear will tell you the same thing. I like MPC over OGG because MPC files tend to be smaller than OGG files at similar quality levels.

Ultimately, this is a very subjective topic and all the arguing is unnecessary, egoistic, and inflammatory. When ripping, I usually rip an MPC version for my online archives and an MP3 version immediately backed up to CD to be used in portable devices or my in-dash MP3 player.

Your mileage may, of course, vary dangerously.

Charlemagne 8 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 27, 2003, 03:46:12 pm »

[size=10]BACK TO MONO VINYL!!!!!![/size][/b][/color] [/glow]

LanManCan · « **Reply #22 on:** March 27, 2003, 03:55:10 pm »

Vinyl, aye. Man, I love your picture!!! Kinda looks like that thing that stares at me from behind my mirror in the morning...

zevele10 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 29, 2003, 10:23:52 am »

To clarify somewhat, it's more the brightness of MPC (for lack of a better term) that is superior for me
-=-=-=-=-=
You get it! It is what i think.
Now ,i got this MPC from a friend and i understand that the rip was at hight quality.

Listening to: 'Happy and Bleeding' from 'Dry' by 'PJ Harvey' on Media Center 9.0 in MPC
All the songs are at from 192 uo to 206 bitrate.
Must be more than mp2 192 VRB or ogg 6.

Anyway ,i do not care to stand on one side or another.
To me right now ,there is A FACT as i said in my first post:
-=-=And that the trebles are much less unbearabe -=-=

I play ONLY at very loud volume.
I cannot listen to mp3 for hours ,because the trebles hurt ,make you feel crazy ,as i said ,it is unbearable.
Not the case with ogg or MPC.

On the top of it the speed when you rip/convert to ogg is really a plus to me.
I am really feed-up to spend a day to rip 5 cds to Lame.

Before i used MJ7 ,i used RealJukebox and was happy with my Xing 192 VRB.

I know Xing is ..and is..... and even more.
But i gave to people some cds with a mix of Xing VRB 192 and Lame. You know the kind of people who are big specialistes [.....] and they just did not 'see' anything...
Because ,on VRB ,Xing is not bad.
And X30 when you ripconvert...very far from the 6 hours and a half from Lame.

And ,as you know ,since mono vinyl ,IT IS DOWNHILL concerning sound quality

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