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FEATURE REQUEST: Tag Window Menu additional options
markf2748:
--- Quote from: HPBEME on November 19, 2021, 06:37:53 pm ---Look at Marko's screenshots comparing the difference. In the std window, when you edit a "large field" (lyrics, bio, etc), it expands to the full height of the tag window.
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@marko and HPBEME:
Thanks for the clarification - got it. (1) The full height real estate available in Std. Tag Window helps for large text edits. (2) I find the large window also stays open reliably when accessing MC player controls. The Adv. T.W. Lyrics panel window closes unpredictably when accessing player controls, a show-stopper source of frustration for an editor. (3) The Adv. T.W. pop-up window is modal (blocks player controls), another show stopper. It needs to be always-on-top non-modal.
Summary: I like the Adv. Tag Window's creative attempt at a fairly large but limited scrollable lyrics window supplemented with an adjustable-size, always-on-top, popup option. However the present implementation is intolerable for serious "live" interactive editing.
Scroll Bars: I find that dragging the Adv. T.W. lyrics window "internal" scroll bar does scroll independently of the outer pane scroll bar, therefore working as expected. Scroll wheel in the text area scrolls lyric text as expected (MC 28.0.84). Scroll wheel directly on the inner scrollbar surprisingly closes the Lyrics Window and scrolls the main tag window instead! I consider that a cool gem of a shortcut feature. Skin: unmodified ThunderStorm. Summary: no issues. ;)
Lyrics tracking: Consider making "lyrics jump to the now-playing song" optional in the lyrics editing windows ("auto-track the player" checkbox on window?). If I am just listening and watching the lyrics go by, yes by all means jump to the next song's lyrics as the music advances (current behavior). But when I am actively listening and editing text, I prefer that lyrics do not suddenly disappear and switch on me to a new song, even if the music does so. Re-sync any time by clicking on the track, as now.
--- Quote from: HPBEME on November 19, 2021, 06:37:53 pm ---Look at Marko's screenshots comparing the difference. In the std window, when you edit a "large field" (lyrics, bio, etc), it expands to the full height of the tag window. Is this not what you wanted for the tag dump?
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Tag Dump Display: A large field editing window is not what I meant for Tag Dump. I want Tag Dump to fully expand into the height it needs just like the other tag sections with the total panel display controlled by the single panel scrollbar, rather than the current small restricted view with its own scrollbar inside the panel scrollbar. BTW I'm perfectly OK with not being able to edit those strings from this display - I just want to see the report.
--- Quote from: HPBEME on November 19, 2021, 06:37:53 pm ---1) I personally like that it auto-selects everything, but I also hate that it always scrolls to the last line. Not sure why undo (control+z) does not work for you... works fine and every time for me.
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The vast majority of my edits are small corrections or cut/paste, so it's just an extra step to deselect before starting. I don't need to see everything highlighted - personal preference I guess.
OK, sometimes I have to hit <CTRL + z> twice (or more) in the usual way to complete the undo, depending on how things were deleted/replaced. Don't know why that didn't seem to work for me before, but it's good now. Thanks.
(apologies for updating many times on 11/20/2021)
EnglishTiger:
--- Quote from: markf2748 on November 19, 2021, 05:28:35 pm ---Biggest gripe about editing the Lyrics Tag: When you first choose to do so all the existing lyrics text is automatically highlighted and the window auto-scrolls to the last lines of text, usually hiding most of the preceding text. If you hit any key before deselecting with the mouse - kzammm - your lyrics text is gone and even <CTRL + z> won't bring it back. You better have a backup file to restore from.
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If and when any accidental removal of the lyrics, or any part of the lyrics or any other field/tag, there is a very simple way of preventing the tag being updated - It's called hitting the Escape Key which stops MC from saving what is shown on the screen to either the Library Fields or the Files Tags.
MC is not the only bit of Software, when in edit mode, that will select all of the text and place the cursor at the very end of that text - it does it for every field/tag.
EnglishTiger:
I just found another instance of the Tag Window not doing what you would expect it to do.
If you go to Tools >> Options >> Tree & View and switch on "Enlarge scrollbars on mouse over" it doesn't work in Either Tag Window Scrollbar, but if you Navigate to the "Tag Dump Section" in the Advanced Tag Window or it's equivalent in the Standard Tag Window it does work.
HPBEME:
Before this topic gets bumped from the 1st page, I figured I would make one last push to get JRiver/Matt to take notice.
My request was for a Tag Window enhancement, but it sort of turned into a grievance thread on general tag window behavior (much of which I agreed with). I get it, its a forum... I too have been guilty of hi-jacking a thread to promote my own wish list. But my post was not trying to address existing behavior - it was about adding something new to enhance the Tag Window. Perhaps some of the other concerns raised in this thread could be addressed in a standalone thread? Just a thought.
Since I really believe this enhancement would be a very beneficial to MC and its users, I wanted to re-focus the thread on that original request. To that end, I am repeating my 1st post below. It would be fantastic if someone from JRiver would indicate that: 1) Great idea and it will be incorporated 2) We are considering implementing it 3) Nope, never gonna happen
I prefer not to expend effort on a lost cause.
ORIGINAL POST
The Advanced Tag Window currently has only 1 menu item: Customize (which opens a window where you can customize your tag groups). I request the following be added to the menu to enhance usability:
Collapse All Tag Groups
Expand All Tag Groups
Toggle Auto-Expand/Collapse
-Currently when you expand a tag group, it stays open/closed until you close/open it (thus the first 2 items in the list).
-This option automatically collapses the current open tab group when you click on a different tag group header to expand it
-This option toggles between the current “stay open” behavior, and using an auto-expand/collapse workflow
-This behavior is already standard for the Panes View, so I presume it can be incorporated in the Tag Window too
-e.g., you’ve defined multiple Genre’s with sub-styles, and when you click on a different Genre, the open one collapses, and the newly selected Genre expands to show all its sub-styles
Toggle Tag Window Style
-This would toggle between the Standard Tag Window (where all tags are un-grouped and sorted alphabetically) and the Advanced Tag Window (where you can customize tags groups and order tags as desired)
-This 1 menu item would be added to both the Standard and Advanced Tag Window menu list to quickly switch between the two tag window formats
-Having this in the menu would also expose the Advanced Tag Window functionality that many users may never become aware of otherwise
-I only discovered the Advanced Tag Window when I stumbled across it looking for something completely unrelated, and a post mentioned using “shift-click” to activate the "other" Tag Window.
-I remember thinking… Wait... What? What other Tag Window? At the time, I had been using MC for over a decade and was completely unaware of its existence.
-For users who never come to the forum (which I imagine is the vast majority of MC users), they may never discover this awesome tagging interface… and even then, I only found it in a forum post by dumb luck.
EnglishTiger:
How about adding a "Show Tags With Values" Option to the Advanced Tag Window Menu that, just like the same option in the Standard Tag Window, would only show those tags that had values?
And maybe even giving the Advanced Tag Window's "Advanced" section a more meaningful/appropriate Name/Title; i.e All Other Tags Listed Alphabetically.
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