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RC23:
These are good points made by jmone. The proportion of NV to AMD in the forums of HT and MSFS is 90 to 10%. But there are the AMD users and stronger in gamer forums. Already had contact with several AMD users for MSFS.
NV currently has the technical lead in DLSS and negatively in power consumption. NV always pushes high-end cards that are characterized by significantly higher power consumption. The new small RTX 3050 is a positive exception with only 100W TDP.
DLSS is an NV only solution, which will be overtaken by Intel Arc in 2022/2023, which will replace DLSS with an alternative via XeSS. In addition, XeSS is technically open for all market providers. AMD is riding in Intel's slipstream here and takes the XeSS advantages with it.
DLSS is not an topic for MSFS and HT. As far as I know, this is only interesting for games that support DLSS. So, checked off as not necessary.
The idea of using iGPU for gaming sounded interesting at first, since I hadn't looked at it before. I made up for that and read a detailed review. The result is sobering. When I look at the strongest AMD iGPU - 5700G - I only get 18 fps for MSFS at 1080p in the preset high details.
Review 5700G https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-5700g-review
This is clearly too low for MSFS, which wants to see 30..35 fps. The requirements in MSFS increase with higher detail and complex flight environment like clouds, fog and big cities with lots of details. So, an iGPU is not a solution for MSFS unless you reduce detail and go back to 720p.
As jmone notes, current graphics cards have become very quiet.... and a quiet PC is my goal.
Currently, the RTX 3050 is coming out, but it's still in short supply and thus relatively expensive. I will wait another month until the availability has improved, the drivers are more stable and there is first user feedback in the forums. As an alternative I see the RX 6600 which is located above the RTX 3050 and slightly below the RTX 3060.
Currently I prefer the RX 6000 as it has more headroom for all applications, is quiet under load and has stable drivers. Will be watching both cards on the forums.
Here is a comparison video to the RX 6600 XT - a 15% more powerful version of the RX 6600.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5gKVnL_7ts
Note that Ultra settings have been used throughout. High settings are a very good compromise between image quality and necessary computing power.
Attached a presentation with benchmarks, from which I have taken important data. I have converted all benchmarks to high settings, since this is the best compromise.
fitbrit:
--- Quote from: BryanC on February 14, 2022, 08:04:03 am ---For your light use case I would eschew the discrete GPU altogether and purchase a 5600G or 5700G. I'm not a MSFS expert so check out specific benchmarks for that hardware.
--- End quote ---
Unfortunately MSFS is probably the most graphics-demanding game ever made. Even a 3080 isn't enough for 4K 60 fps at higher settings.
BryanC:
Well then the answer is an easy one: get the best GPU you can afford. I was under the impression that MSFS was that thing I played around with in the 90s (not a gamer) and didn't realize it is so demanding.
Reasons against AMD for this application: Hendrik doesn't test JRVR on AMD, AMD custom mode settings (for PAL, etc) are inferior to nVidia's, I've experienced issues with JRVR on low-end integrated AMD chips that I don't have on nVidia or Intel, AMD driver cycle is still tumultuous. I don't know if the low-end AMD JRVR issues are fundamental to AMD and masked by horsepower, but if I were dropping several hundred dollars on a GPU I would just pay the small added premium to not worry about it.
The RTX 3070 looks to have the best performance/watt of the nVidia lineup (and uses less power than the 6800) so that's what I'd recommend.
RC23:
--- Quote from: fitbrit on February 15, 2022, 11:55:04 am ---Unfortunately MSFS is probably the most graphics-demanding game ever made. Even a 3080 isn't enough for 4K 60 fps at higher settings.
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I read about an MSFS user where a 10 year old i5 2500 and a 4 year old GTX 1660 Super gave a passable picture in 2K and that in settings with level high. In MSFS you can go to 30..35 fps without visible quality degradation. Anything above that doesn't add any value here in 2K or 4K.
https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/592431-confused-about-minimum-requirements/?do=findComment&comment=4447638
Usual gaming of course works with high fps numbers. The slower motion of flying does not require high fps numbers.
The RTX 3050 just coming out is a modernized GTX 1660 Super.
RC23:
An RTX 3070 is a card from the upper shelf and currently costs 900 Euros. With this card you can use madVR in highest settings for 4K... that will run smoothly. I'm watching the thread on madVR in German spoken forum.
Posting from the madVR thread (07.09.2021):
Jerks with RTX 3070 everything the same.... Kodi video player (without DS, madVR) runs buttery smooth. Tested with 1080p23.976.mkv (Remux) file, with 1920x108024p(23.976) fixed screen resolution.
- AMD driver with DDU secured removed
- LAVFilter 0.74.1. tested all decoders
- madVR V0.92.17 down to Sharp low, although the card would tolerate significantly more
- Nvidia driver 471.96 (latest) with RGB 8bit full
- Bernd's last "general settings" madVR taken over
At the same place RX 6600 XT and RX 5700 XT ran without problems.
Gerald_Z
Link http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?action=browseT&forum_id=253&thread=669&postID=2008#2008
Gerald_Z is a power user for madVR and has been around for a very long time. By mentioning the RX 6600 XT I came to AMD and thus the RX 6000 without XT.
Posting from the madVR thread (11/28/2021):
... It runs smoothly with the 3070. My tip: If new then RTX 3070 up or buy used with a GTX 1080 card.
Mankra
Link http://www.hifi-forum.de/index.php?action=browseT&forum_id=253&thread=669&postID=2110#2110
Besides Gerald_Z, Mankra is the second power user for madVR. I would like to inquire in the madVR thread because of the quality of the drivers for NV and AMD.
@BrianC: So that I can ask forum specific questions about driver quality, please give me the relevant keywords and problems. If the driver problem AMD does not exist, then this increases the distribution of JRVR and JRiver.
If I understand correctly, JRVR is much easier to use than madVR and at the same time less resource-hungry ... so runs with good performance on different platforms from Intel NUC to HTPC with GPU.
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