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jctcom:

--- Quote from: dtc on May 13, 2023, 08:26:46 am ---
It would be nice for the graphics hardware developers to support DSD over HDMI, but they understandably have no interest in customizing for audio only files.

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I don't see why this is so "Understandable".  There are plenty of people that either use (Or would like to use) HDMI for high def audio.  People have been searching for drivers for HDMI cards for years to do just that.  I even at one time purchased a dedicated HDMI based Audio card (a flavour of Asus Zonar I believe), only to find it had the same limitations as the video cards.

I think there would be a big market for an audio based HDMI card. Otherwise DACS would not be so popular these days.

I don't think it is that "Video" card manufacturers are not interested, or the "Market is not there".  I think rather it is a decision by the developers of DSD (Mostly Sony I believe) have purposely restricted it's use in PCs through license requirement.

It is not the first time Sony has stifled the growth of new technology.  usually to it's (Sony's) detriment (Beta and Mini-Disc come to mind).

This might not be the place to gripe about such things.  But since the topic came up lol.  Hopefully someone (Important?) from the Video Card manufacturer's and / or Sony might have occasion to read these comments lol.

Carl.

Awesome Donkey:
Like mentioned, you can't bitstream DSD over HDMI via any sort of computer (PCs, Macs, Raspberry Pis, NUCs, etc.). This is because none of the graphics card drivers out there be it Nvidia, AMD, Intel, etc. support DSD at all. DSD over HDMI only works with receivers that support it when connecting a SACD/CD player to the receiver via HDMI, or something of that sort.

jctcom:

--- Quote from: Awesome Donkey on May 13, 2023, 01:32:53 pm ---Like mentioned, you can't bitstream DSD over HDMI via any sort of computer (PCs, Macs, Raspberry Pis, NUCs, etc.). None of the graphics card drivers out there be it Nvidia, AMD, Intel, etc. support DSD at all. DSD over HDMI only works with receivers that support it when connecting a SACD/CD player to the receiver via HDMI, or something of that sort.

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I and most other people interested I believe understand that.  But is it not because it is impossible to do.  it is because the Video Card manufacturer's and or the DSD Licensing terms (From Sony or whoever) have chosen not to provide the ability. 

This sucks as far as I am concerned.  If they would implement the ability then we would not need 3rd party hardware (DACs) to provide those abilities.

Most modern receivers have the ability to play DSD via HDMI (Many I am discovering have the ability over DLNA though most are relegated to stereo only).  If the Video Card developers and DSD licensing organization were so inclined we could easily have the ability.

Carl

dtc:

--- Quote from: jctcom on May 13, 2023, 01:30:49 pm ---I don't see why this is so "Understandable".  There are plenty of people that either use (Or would like to use) HDMI for high def audio. 

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Clearly the graphics card producers don't think there is a big enough market. DSD is already a niche and HDMI is a portion of that already small market.  DSD was "hot" a few years ago and none of the graphics care companies supported it over HDMI. Not much chance they will do it these days.  Agreed, it would be a nice addition. I just don't think the numbers are there for the video companies to do an audio only enhancement for this niche market.

Awesome Donkey:

--- Quote from: jctcom on May 13, 2023, 01:40:58 pm ---I and most other people interested I believe understand that.  But is it not because it is impossible to do.  it is because the Video Card manufacturer's and or the DSD Licensing terms (From Sony or whoever) have chosen not to provide the ability. 

This sucks as far as I am concerned.  If they would implement the ability then we would not need 3rd party hardware (DACs) to provide those abilities.

Most modern receivers have the ability to play DSD via HDMI (Many I am discovering have the ability over DLNA though most are relegated to stereo only).  If the Video Card developers and DSD licensing organization were so inclined we could easily have the ability.
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I do think the graphics card manufacturers have zero interest though, I mean, why would they? DSD is so niche it'd make no sense if they added support for it or to even consider it to begin with.

Hell probably has a better chance at freezing over. :P

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