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Mr Swordfish

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Playback Range question
« on: September 04, 2023, 01:58:27 pm »

It is possible to top and tail a music file using the Playback Range tag.

Where does this piece of information reside?  When I added Playback Range to a file the .m4a file did not get updated, so the playback range did not come over to the sync.

Coming from iTunes, if you set the playback range on a file, that data transferred to the mobile device. 

A broader question is: which of the various setting for are stored in the audio file and which are stored in some database that is probably not portable?  And does this depend on the file format e.g. .mp3, .m4a .flac etc? 

This is probably a complicated question; I'm trying to determine what I should expect from the mobile device and what is not realistic.

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Mr Swordfish

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Re: Playback Range question
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2023, 04:04:09 pm »

Perhaps I should rephrase the question:

If I set the playback range for a file to something other than the default, and move that file to an android device, should I expect the software on the android device to use the modified range or is this beyond what currently technology is capable of?

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Re: Playback Range question
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2023, 09:03:02 am »

I just did a quick experiment.  Playback Range seemed to be ignored when doing a Handheld Sync.  This particular sync was doing a sample rate conversion, so it had the opportunity to "process" the file.  As opposed to just a a simple copy.

I do not think that MC supports "burning in" the Playback Range into Handheld Sync file targets.

It's an interesting question.

Brian.
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Re: Playback Range question
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2023, 09:15:02 am »

I have not tried this, but you should be able to play the track with output to Disk Writer and then you will have a file with just the part you want. It is somewhat laborious to do, but it might help for one or two files. If you use Audacity, you could slice out the part you want with that. Again, not a quick process for lots of files.  In either case, you could import the shorter version into MC with a different name and use it as usual.
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Mr Swordfish

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Re: Playback Range question
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2023, 11:09:07 am »

I have not tried this, but you should be able to play the track with output to Disk Writer and then you will have a file with just the part you want. It is somewhat laborious to do, but it might help for one or two files. If you use Audacity, you could slice out the part you want with that. Again, not a quick process for lots of files.  In either case, you could import the shorter version into MC with a different name and use it as usual.

Yeah, it is certainly possible to export the file to an audio editor, trim the file, and put it back into the file system and then JRiver and any handheld will play the trimmed track.  As you suggest, that's a lot more labor intensive than just putting a couple of numbers into a field in JRiver.  It also has the possibility of overwriting data inside the audio file - and since I'm not sure which parameters are stored with the audio file and which are stored in some other database it's somewhat of a crapshoot. Hence the question in the original post above about what data is stored where.

A great feature for JRiver would be a "destructive editing" option for playback range that would do that in place and keep all the  data intact. Maybe it does this already, but I haven't found it.

I've had to let go of a number of features moving from iTunes/IPod to JRiver/Android, but the ability to easily top and tail tracks and have the handheld use that info is the one I miss more than any of the others.  So far, the increased flexibility of JRiver and the improved sound quality from both JRiver and the Sony player (with it's own DAC chips) makes it worth it.  And of course iTunes/IPod is deadware, so there's that too.

Long term, I'm probably going to get a windows machine for the condo and "clone" JRiver so I have the full features at both places, but it would be nice to get the top and tail functionality on the handheld.

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Re: Playback Range question
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2023, 11:18:21 am »

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Mr Swordfish

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Re: Playback Range question
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2023, 11:41:14 am »

Looks like the Particles functionality might be what I'm looking for.  I'll give it a try when I'm back at the PC with JRiver on it.
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