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[Drybonz]

The global subtitle position is a good addition.  If I have set a sub position in a movie, individually, how do I remove that preference and have them go to the new global position?  It seems as if once they have been set individually the global is ignored.

*edit*  Actually, unless I'm missing something, subtitle shift doesn't seem to be working at all now.

[Drybonz]

I always use .srt subtitles because they are color customizable, size, etc...  In the past I have been able to adjust their position and was looking forward to the global positioning, but I can't seem to position them at all now, global or individual.

[Bob Sorel]

I always use .srt subtitles because they are color customizable, size, etc...  In the past I have been able to adjust their position and was looking forward to the global positioning, but I can't seem to position them at all now, global or individual.

Don't check the checkbox...Instead, adjust the global vertical positioning by entering negative values to raise the subs and positive values to lower them. Works great here.

For example, in my constant image height setup, I simply enter a global percentage of -11% for perfect positioning for 2.35:1 movies. Since it is global, 16:9 subs will also be raised by 11%, but it is the lesser of 2 evils. There is no perfect solution that works for every video due to the various ways that Hollywood creates video, sometiimes with the black bars baked in and sometimes without. You would be able to simply use the checkbox without entering any percentage shift IF the content creators stopped baking black bars into the video.

[Hendrik]

If you use JRVR's black bar cropping, that should also work together fine. Or at least is supposed to, if it doesn't work let us know.

[Drybonz]

entering negative values to raise the subs and positive values to lower them. Works great here.

Ah... thanks, Bob.  I was using positive values to raise them, as it shows on the context menu.  I reversed it after reading your tip and it works fine.  I guess they weren't going any lower because they would have been off screen?  Anyway... thanks for the help.

*edit*  Actually, it seems to only work if I enter a value over -20.  If I enter -10, there is no change... but if I enter -20, they move way up.

[Bob Sorel]

Ah... thanks, Bob.  I was using positive values to raise them, as it shows on the context menu.  I reversed it after reading your tip and it works fine.  I guess they weren't going any lower because they would have been off screen?  Anyway... thanks for the help.

*edit*  Actually, it seems to only work if I enter a value over -20.  If I enter -10, there is no change... but if I enter -20, they move way up.

For me the subs move up on 1% increments. You do have the checkbox for keeping subs within the active area UNCHECKED, right? If you tell me what video(s) you have tried, I will try to recreate it here to see if I have the same problem or not.

Jim, if you want to move the subtitle posts in here into the "Subtitle position" thread in the beta forum, and then move that thread into this forum, it might be helpful so as not to clutter up this thread so much, and we can all continue the discussion there. The posts in the beta forum will probably help people who have questions regarding the new subtitle handling.

[Drybonz]

For me the subs move up on 1% increments. You do have the checkbox for keeping subs within the active area UNCHECKED, right?

I have it unchecked, but I also tried with it checked to see if it made any difference.  It seems to be related to movies I have individually changed in the past.  For instance, the last one I tried (Pedicab Driver) moves up 10% with the global setting at 5%.  I know it moved up 10% because if I then change individual shift setting for that movie down 5% (with the global setting at 10%), it moves back to where it would be with no shift.  I'm also finding some movies (Fellini 8 1-2) that do the desired shift with the new global setting.  So, it is kind of all over the place.  I'm not certain what the difference is.

[Bob Sorel]

I have it unchecked, but I also tried with it checked to see if it made any difference.  It seems to be related to movies I have individually changed in the past.  For instance, the last one I tried (Pedicab Driver) moves up 10% with the global setting at 5%.  I know it moved up 10% because if I then change individual shift setting for that movie down 5% (with the global setting at 10%), it moves back to where it would be with no shift.  I'm also finding some movies (Fellini 8 1-2) that do the desired shift with the new global setting.  So, it is kind of all over the place.  I'm not certain what the difference is.

Ok, gotcha. Come to think of it, all the titles I used for my tests were not previously set with the OSD system. I am going to do some more experimenting to see if I can figure out what is going on and how to get around it.

Off of the top of my head, I wonder if Hendrik could devise some sort of global subtitle reset switch which would reset all subs back to their original position and discard any previously saved changes from the OSD. I'm suggesting an optional reset switch of some sort, as some people might want to keep the changes that they already made to individuaL titles, while others (like me) would rather discard all of my old changes and simply use the new system. Or, maybe add the subtitle reset to the OSD menu, so that if your old changes are fine, you can just leave them as is, but if the old changes are not playing nice with the global changes, you could just reset the subs and allow the global system to work from the original position. I am just thinking out loud here, as I don't know if these things are even possible, or if it would make things overly complex.

Edit: I just tested OSD previously adjusted subtitles and you are correct, the global adjustment seems to be executed from the previous adjustment. My assumption was that the subtitle would be reset to original position, and THEN the global adjustments would take place, but I am wrong. I have to wonder if it would be possible to add a third global option that would reset the subtitle back to original position (regardless of whether it had been set previously or not), and then execute either/both of the 2 other options if they are enabled. Since the 3 global settings are for the player, they would be executed on the fly every time a video is played since there would be no reason to attach the settings to the files themselves.

Maybe Hendrik could weigh in here...

[Drybonz]

Ok, gotcha. Come to think of it, all the titles I used for my tests were not previously set with the OSD system. I am going to do some more experimenting to see if I can figure out what is going on and how to get around it.

Off of the top of my head, I wonder if Hendrik could devise some sort of global subtitle reset switch which would reset all subs back to their original position and discard any previously saved changes from the OSD.

Thanks, Bob... I'm not 100% sure that is what is causing it... it was just the first possibility that occurred to me.  Maybe you will find something, though.  The "reset switch" is a good idea, or some general way to remove past individual settings that now have global settings.

[Drybonz]

- Baked in black bars can be handled with black bar detection and cropping in JRVR for a more consistent result.

I'm using MadVR, so if it depends on the JRVR black bar detection, that may be why I'm getting inconsistent results.

[JimH]

I'm using MadVR, so if it depends on the JRVR black bar detection, that may be why I'm getting inconsistent results.

It would be easy to try JRVR.

[Drybonz]

I've tried it many times.  Just can't get it to look as good.

[JimH]

How recently?  It's worth trying again.

[Drybonz]

Yesterday.  It's got potential but still prefer MadVR.

[JimH]

Yesterday.  It's got potential but still prefer MadVR.

It would be helpful if you can report any issues in the main JRVR thread.

madVR subtitle behavior won't be addressed in this thread.

[Bob Sorel]

Yesterday.  It's got potential but still prefer MadVR.

Hi, Drybonz,

Not that it will matter to you, but I recommend that you at least read this short thread:

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,138341.0.html

[Drybonz]

It would be helpful if you can report any issues in the main JRVR thread.

I was just answering your questions.  I don't have any specific issues to report.

[Drybonz]

Not that it will matter to you, but I recommend that you at least read this short thread:

https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,138341.0.html

Thanks.  I saw that thread and checked into JRVR again after reading it.

[curiousMonkey]

I set my global subtitle position to -11 using Red October MadVR. I noticed on widescreen movies that the subtitles are still down in the black bars. When I enable my anamorphic lens setting, they are hard to read. I switch to Red October JRVR and positioning seems to work there. When I switched back to Red October MadVR, the correct positioning seems to be remembered but I played around with the settings some more on various movies and the subtitles ended up being stuck at the bottom of the screen again.

For the moment, it seems like Red October JRVR works best when I need to have full control of subtitle position for widescreen foreign films. Am I missing something obvious in how the subtitle shifting works or is there a bug in Red October MadVR mode?

[Hendrik]

madVR has its own subtitle position stuff that overrides the player-desired position. Might need to check its own options on that.

[JimH]

doom9 and avsforum have threads on madVR if you need more help.