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[sraymond]

Udeups:  Please don't mistake me for someone like you've described...  I asked a straightforward question, with no intention of creating a devicisive thread.  That it's come to that is unfortunate.

For the record:  When I bought a license for MC back in November, it was because I was convinced MC would be the best mutlimedia app on the market, bar none!  Of course, it was (and is) in beta, so there's certain risk.  Being "led astray" would mean that MC does not develop into the best multimedia app on the market - and I wanted to point out that (IN MY OPINION) should video not be further enhanced, this would happen.  

Charlemagne:  Do I owe you five cents?  Lucy would be proud!  I love that show...  "Everybody loves Raymond".  Indeed!

Would anyone disagree that video can be improved?

JimH:  I'm sorry you took my first post as an attack against you guys.  It isn't (and wasn't meant to be).  As I said above, I'd just like to know where I'm being taken (led)...  'cause I'm definitely on the train!  Even if I get off at the next station, I'll have no regrets about being involved in the beta.

[Charlemagne 8]

Sraymond,
My advice is free ... and worth every penny.
CVIII

[sraymond]

That certainly simplifies any refund requests!

[Griff]

Hi

Would anyone disagree that video can be improved

Not me.

JimH

You stated in another thread, which has been deletted,
that you have no prob. with TV.

I know Yaobing has an AIW.

Do you? Radeon?

If so, what ATI driver ver. are you useing?

Was using 9.0.088 with no prob.

tried 9.0.097, now running 9.0.098 both have problems.

Griff

[JimH]

Griff,
Are you also PAL?  Europe?

On this XP machine, I have an ATI All in Wonder AGP.  The driver is 5.10.2280.105.  Not sure about the other machine.  Both cards are more than a year old.

I've also successfully used a TVWonder VE on Win98SE and a Hauppauge WinTV-USB on Windows 98SE.

I do remember several people saying that UK didn't appear as an option on the setup.  Yaobing found a work-around.  I think it was a registry edit.  A search might find it.

[sraymond]

I have problems with both PAL and NTSC...  so the problem's not there.

Latest released Catalyst 3.0 drivers...  2D is 6.14.01.6255 with an NTSC AIW 8500 DV.  The problem isn't with the TV tuner either...  I get the problem just watching video from a VCR.

Scott-

[Griff]

Hi

Are you also PAL?  Europe

No, south of you, NC.

I've also successfully used a TVWonder VE

I have that card too, I have a number of ATI cards on the shelf. I even have their first AIW board.

If I ever buy the 9700 AIW, I can use the TV Wonder with it and then have PIP.

On this XP machine, I have an ATI All in Wonder AGP.  The driver is 5.10.2280.105

Thanks for the info.

5 - ? Radeon drivers begin with a 6. Went to ATI site, looked at their previous drivers and could not find yours.
Did a search for it on ATI and came up with that it is a MS supplied driver on the Win. XP disk, which is not "RECOMMENDED" for the Radeon cards.

Like I said, I had no prob. with the TV side of MC with MC ver 9.0.88
Tried going back to MC 9.0.88, but MC will not let me.

So I have to use MC 9.0.98.

I too am useing the Cat 3 current drivers, like Scott in the above thread, on a AIW 7500, XP sys.

Example of one prob.:

Start MC/click a channel to view ----- no prob.
Try to change to a diff. channel and you get in the TV view area " MC can not display Visualizations for this file type" You also get a box message "Failed to play -- Unknown error-- OK". once you click Ok, Mc shuts down.

I am however able to go to TV options/configure tv/ advance properties/Tv tuner and change channels with out a problem.

Oh, one other thing, I am running Directx 9.

Thanks
Griff

[Yaobing]

Griff,

Thanks for the details.

Radeon drivers begin with a 6

Jim's AIW and mine are both older cards, not Radeon. Matt has a Radeon I believe.

Like I said, I had no prob. with the TV side of MC with MC ver 9.0.88
Tried going back to MC 9.0.88, but MC will not let me.

Did you have DirectX 9 when you were using MC 9.0.88?

Try to change to a diff. channel and you get in the TV view area " MC can not display Visualizations for this file type"

Did you change channel by which way? Right-click menu->Channels or the Channels Window? The two methods are not equivalent, although they should (Matt is going to have make the change on that - the right-click menu method does it correctly, while the Channels window unneccessarily unloads the TV control and reloads it).

As far as I can remember there is little change in my code in the area of channel switching, since MJ8. Here are the possibilities that come to my mine now:

1. DirectX 9.

2. Recent builds of MC (I am kicking the ball to Matt ).

3. Whatever my little changes in coding. It seems that it is time for me to install DirectX9 now.

Yaobing

[JimH]

Yaobing,
Mine is a Radeon.  It's about 18 months old.

[Yaobing]

Yaobing,
Mine is a Radeon.  It's about 18 months old.

Sorry, should have spoken only for myself
Yaobing

[webtree]

is there any solution as of yet for MC9 to set the TV tuner to PAL_I when it doesn't list it as an option in the select location dialog box?  ?

Regards
Mark

[Griff]

Yaobing

Thanks for the reply.

Did you change channel by which way? Right-click menu->Channels or the Channels Window

Channels window.

But the method of "Right click menu" has problems.
You can select a channel but every other selection
has problems.

Example:
Start a channel.
Right chick and change channel - that works ok.
now when you rt click again to change channels there are two channels with check marks beside them.
If you select another channel, sometime it goes to that channel , sometimes no and sometimes I get a error in a box, "Cannot set channels, code 0x80070057, Ok".
Mc does not shutdown however like it does in the channel window.

Did you have DirectX 9 when you were using MC 9.0.88

No
That did come to mine, but there is no way to remove it.

3. Whatever my little changes in coding. It seems that it is time for me to install DirectX9 now

DirectX9 should be backward compatiable and I dont think it was your changes in coding.

If you need any help checking anything out, just yell.

Thanks for your help.
Griff

[Yaobing]

is there any solution as of yet for MC9 to set the TV tuner to PAL_I when it doesn't list it as an option in the select location dialog box?  ?

No, not yet. If you have trouble with it, you need to do some registry hacking, and may need to set channels manually.

[Yaobing]

Right chick and change channel - that works ok.
now when you rt click again to change channels there are two channels with check marks beside them.
If you select another channel, sometime it goes to that channel , sometimes no and sometimes I get a error in a box, "Cannot set channels, code 0x80070057, Ok".

This looks more like Matt's bug than mine  
Are you using any skin?

Anyway I will need to test my code with DirectX 9.

[webtree]

No, not yet. If you have trouble with it, you need to do some registry hacking, and may need to set channels manually.

Do you have the details as I have no problem using reg hacks, I would just like it to work.  I know the channel frequencies.

Thanks

[Yaobing]

Do you have the details as I have no problem using reg hacks, I would just like it to work.  I know the channel frequencies.

Go to registry key HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JRiver\Media Jukebox\TV Settings
and find these values:

"Country Code" - A DWORD value - if you can not find it, create one - and set its value to the country code corresponding to your country (1 for USA, 44 for United Kingdom etc.).

"Country Name" - A string value - create it if it does not exist - enter the name of your country, such as United States of America, or United Kingdom.

After setting these values, run MC, click TV Tuner in tree view, and click Add button in the Channels window and select "Add Channel..." (instead of "Scan For Channels..."). No frequency is needed. Just add channel numbers.

Hope this helps. Let me know if it does not work.

Yaobing

[webtree]

Let me know if it does not work.

Yaobing

Unfortunatelly after following your instructions, (entries already existed as I had tried with other countries to get signal), every time started MC TV, I got a dialog box.
Title: PlaybackEng
Msg: put_CountryCode failed.  Cannot setup TVTuner code 0x80070057
Type: Exclamation

If I use code 1 or 2 and string United Kingdom I can get pictures on 3 of the 4 channels, but no sound, just a high pitched whining noise, but cannot get 44, (or any other value), to work.  using 1 it works, but not very well.  It is strange as the picture is in colour, which I wouldn't expect if it was trying to interpret a PAL Signal as NTSC???

I am using a AverMedia BT878 based card, (2+ yr old), PAL_I its only supported decoding, and uses a connexant driver, (latest one from AverMedia), 5.2.5.0.  I also have a GeForce 4 VIVO which I am not using for input.

Let me know if there is anything else I can try.

Thanks
Mark

Media Jukebox PLUS 9.0.98 -- d:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\

Microsoft Windows 2000  Workstation 5.0 Service Pack 3 (Build 2195)
Intel Pentium 4 2384 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 261 MB, Free - 62 MB

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.81 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106
Shell32.dll: 5.00.3502.6144 / wnaspi32.dll: Internal ASPI Layer

Ripping /   Drive F:   Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
 Drive G:   Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
 Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: Yes /  Get cover art: No /  Calc replay gain: No /  Copy volume: 32767
 Eject after ripping: Yes /  Play sound after ripping: No  

Burning /  Drive F: RICOH    DVD/CDRW MP9200    Addr: 1:0:0  Speed:20  MaxSpeed:20  Use MJ Engine:Yes
 Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: Yes /  Direct decoding: Yes /  Write CD-Text: No
 Use playback settings: No /  Normalization: None

[JimH]

Newly revised instructions for TV, thanks to Yaobing, are here:

http://www.musicex.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=beta;action=display;num=1036784704;start=0

[Yaobing]

Unfortunatelly after following your instructions, (entries already existed as I had tried with other countries to get signal), every time started MC TV, I got a dialog box.
Title: PlaybackEng
Msg: put_CountryCode failed.  Cannot setup TVTuner code 0x80070057
Type: Exclamation

Make sure you entered the right country code in registry. For example, enter decimal value 44, and not hex value.

If that is not the problem, and you are willing to do some more testing, email me at yaobing @ jriver.com, and I will send a test file.

Yaobing

[Griff]

Hi Yaobing

Are you using any skin

No

Griff

[Griff]

Yaobing

Guess what?

Got it working.

Since Little Denver of the East got 9" of snow last night and I gave away all my snow shovels up North.

I had a little time to play.

After talking to Doc on another thread (and his worked),
the only diff. was DirectX9.

So I took the plunged. (I really didnt want to, because of all the changes on my sys., but what the hell)

So I restored back befor DirectX9.

Loaded MC 9.0.101 and rebuilt sys one step at a time, while checking MC with changing channels.

Well Im up and running.

No DirectX9----- No TV prob. with MC


Hope this helps.


By the way, you would happen do do work on the DVD side of MC?

Thanks again
Griff  

[JimH]

Thank you, Microsoft.

Good job, Griff.

[Yaobing]

I have tried to help user webtree (Mark) on his AverMedia card problem. But we have not been successful. His device is made for use in UK, but MC reports that it only supports NTSC.

Here is his update on it

heres the result.

I eventually got the card working again with the use of the latest drivers
from avermedia for the latest card chipset and app, downloaded from the UK
site.  This works great for the card and the avermedia TV viewer, quality is
better than ever.  It installs the WDM drivers and all was good.  I had to
set the location and COUNTRY CODE!! in the avermedia setup system, and it
was set to PAL_I UK 44.  It now tunes in correctly to the channel codes for
this region, rather than having to use the ones which aren't quite right but
work.

I tried the MC viewer and all was bad, same set of errors.  I tried AMCAP,
and it gave me the same results, i.e. nothing and only NTSC_M as the
encoding option.

I installed the BTWincap BtPCI WDM drivers over the top, they replace the
avermedia WDM video and audio drivers.  It replaces BT484.sys with an older
version  These stopped the avermedia TV tuner from working at all.  It
correctly identifies my card as the one I thought it was, and had drivers
installed for.  It reboots and then re-installs the AverMedia TvTuner
control and the AverMedia WDM Crossbar.  If I cancel these, then everything
screws up.  Another reboot.

Then I tried to run MC and amcap.  Heres the irony.  I get as options in the
video standards in amcap > TvTuner:

Country Code: 44
Tuning Space:0

Pal_B
Pal_G
Pal_H
Pal_N
Secam_B
Secam_G
Secam_H

Set on Pal_H I can get all 4 channels by channel code purfect picture.

In MC however I still don't get Pal_I available.
If I do choose it I get all the old errors, cannot set country code in
IAMTuner, put_CountryCode failed etc.  If I select from one of the
"available" countries I can get pictures, but they are aweful.  Same
standard options as in amcap (surprisingly).

Avermedia tv is not working at all at this stage.  I put the avermedia WDM
drivers back, I get AverTV back and am back to NTSC_M in amcap and MC.

I hope that gives you something else to hypothesise about, because I'm
pretty confused.

Regards
Mark

Mark's device is an AverMedia TVPhone98 card, PAL_I with fm tuner. Is there anyone who has been successful using this card with MC in UK?

Is DirectX9 an issue here? (Mark has DirectX9 installed).

Yaobing

[highwebl]

More big fun.  I took the plunge and upgraded to 102.

If I manually set the channel to 0, the AverTV USB works and plays the last channel it was set to.  

If I try to switch the station, I get a "Failed to Access TV Tuner." error.  But, good news,  it does not crash and close anymore.  It just turns off until I ask for channel 0 again.

I look forward to later builds so that I might watch other channels as well.

[rattler]

Yaobing

Thanks for the reply.


Channels window.

But the method of "Right click menu" has problems.
You can select a channel but every other selection
has problems.

Example:
Start a channel.
Right chick and change channel - that works ok.
now when you rt click again to change channels there are two channels with check marks beside them.
If you select another channel, sometime it goes to that channel , sometimes no and sometimes I get a error in a box, "Cannot set channels, code 0x80070057, Ok".
Mc does not shutdown however like it does in the channel window.


No
That did come to mine, but there is no way to remove it.


DirectX9 should be backward compatiable and I dont think it was your changes in coding.

If you need any help checking anything out, just yell.

Thanks for your help.
Griff

i have a very similar problem with my ATI AIW 8500DV running catalyst 3.0 drivers, media center9 103 and directx9.
i can tune channels fine and select 1 channel fine from the channels window but any channel after that i get a message that pops up 4 times saying "failed to play TV (unknown error)"
then a message saying something about the last file not found.

if i change channels via the right click, channels option it will not give me any errors but will only show static and noise on channels that i know to work?
hopefully this information will help you fix things up in your next releases.

Media Jukebox PLUS 9.0.103 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\

Microsoft Windows XP  Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)
Intel Pentium 4 1681 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 319 MB

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.82 (xpsp1.020828-1920) / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 (xpsp1.020828-1920)
Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1145 (xpsp2.021108-1929) / wnaspi32.dll: Internal ASPI Layer

Ripping /   Drive H:   Copy mode:ModeBurstBigBuffer   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
 Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: Yes /  Get cover art: No /  Calc replay gain: No /  Copy volume: 32767
 Eject after ripping: No /  Play sound after ripping: No  

Burning /  No burners found.
 Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: Yes /  Direct decoding: Yes /  Write CD-Text: No
 Use playback settings: No /  Normalization: None

[webtree]

Just FYI, no improvement in the TV functonallity in 9.0.103 with regards PAL_I.

[Griff]

Hi everyone.

To all video people with DIRECTX9:

DirectX9 not only effects channel tuning as in my examples above.
It also effects time shifting and capture.

So if you want to remove DirectX9 you have to restore your sys. to a point before the installation of Directx9.



To Webtree:

If you check AverMedia support, you will see this (UK or
USA):

TV-cards based on the Brooktree/Rockwell/Connexant Bt848/Bt849/Bt878/Bt879 chipsets are widely available under a large number of manufacturer and model names. These cards are very similar but can require different drivers. In theory the generic drivers linked to/from this site should be all you need, but if you need to identify the manufacturer then the FCC number printed on the TV-card should help you.
Try entering the FCC number into the FCC search engine

Notice the words  "Generic Drivers".

The FCC site is a usefull tool. I have used it many times in the past, on other people boards.
Once you have the manufacture, you can do a search to find their Web site.
Sometimes you can find better drivers, sometimes no.

Hope this helps


Have a great day.
Griff

[webtree]

Thanks Griff.  

Unfortunatelly that'll have to wait until I take the machine apart, its not in an accessible location right now.  I took all the obvious numbers and details off the card when I last had the machine open, and don't recall seeing anything like an FCCID.  

I'll live without it for now!

[Griff]

Yaobing

FYI

Loaded 9.0.104

Noticed in the 9.0.104 Beta Thread that Ratter said:

Just downloaded and tested tv playback with my ATI AIW 8500DV.. and channels changed fine.. it's all looking good.. 5 stars guys

Since I knew he had DirextX9 (from the above post)
I reloaded DirextX9.

Rt click to change channels --- works now.

Time shifting -- MC shuts down.
Change channels via channel window --- Mc shuts down.
Capture --- MC shuts down.

Restored back to DirectX8.

Hope this helps.

Griff

[Yaobing]

Griff,

I have tested TV with DirectX9 and Hauppauge WinTV PCI card, and got some mixed results.

With the release version of DX9 runtime installed, I have no problem starting TV, changing channels - either using context menu or channels window. There was a problem doing time-shifting, which happened even with DirectX8.1b. I have fixed that problem. Hopefully the next build of MC will contain this fix in TV.

So, all seems to be working here. This however does not mean we are totally problem free. In fact I believe that the Hauppauge driver is buggy (see my other post). I cannot debug a program that involves Hauppauge WinTV Capture driver. So it is hard for me to identify and fix problems.

Now here is something worse. If I install the developer's debug version of DX9 runtime, I can not run MC TV with Hauppauge WinTV. My Windows XP system restarts every time I try starting TV.

By any chance have you installed the debug version of DX9?

Yaobing

[Griff]

Yaobing

By any chance have you installed the debug version of DX9?

No.

Took a quick look for it the other day, but could not find them. Will try again when I get some time.


I am running DirectX 8.1, AIW 7500 and newest drivers, because of prob. with DirectX 9 and MC.

Yaobing what model of AIW do you have?

Is it a "Built by ATI" or "Powered by ATI"?

The "Powered by ATI" usually have "Generic Drivers", thats why I dont buy them.

You can tell the diff. by the part no. on the board.

Have you tried DirectX 9 on Matts AIW Radeon?

In fact I believe that the Hauppauge driver is buggy

Well I went to Hauppauge support site.
The first thing that I saw was the WinTV are "Connexant" chips.

The same that Webtree has with Avermedia in the above posts.

So these drivers could also be "Generic" or a modification of them.

Have a nice day.
Griff

[Yaobing]

Yaobing what model of AIW do you have?

Is it a "Built by ATI" or "Powered by ATI"?

Mine is AIW 128 PRO 32MB AGP. I think it is Built by ATI, but not sure.

The first thing that I saw was the WinTV are "Connexant" chips.

The generic Connexant driver seems to work better than Hauppauge driver.

[Griff]

Hey Yaobing

Check the new post " TV tuner and ATI anyone"

Griff