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NEW: Present Queue for JRVR Video Renderer
JimH:
For anyone having trouble with video playing only audio, try changing JRVR's Deinterlacing setting to YADIF.
https://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php/topic,139521.msg967839.html#msg967839
tkolsto:
This comment is about 23 fps content and use of frameratematching together with some interpolation done by LGs truemotion. I donīt or very seldom use 50 fps and such. this comment is made to point out the improvement. I was happy with MC32 motionwise, but this is a step up.
I see now that it is smoother or has at least more consistent motion handling. I have been playing the same scene over again to compare how the new mode performs(now MC32 was very good too, but now timing is now much better, no drops og repeated frames anymore. ( same scene have same motion, it does not divert, like one time it is a little better and other time it is poorer(stutter). It is more consistant now. I use the latest jriver...15, both with videoclock or hardware accelerating video decoding turned on and off works now. I use the latest studio driver 560.81.
This is huge really! JRiverīs timing is fixed now( ok I read now that some still have drops, but got it fixed by doing old mandatory stuff like powersetting and such, so this is fixed now I think apart from Tassiīs setup, and apart from this audio bitstreaming problem). When Hendrik told me that this was coming, I did not think it would come until mid september. but here it is and itīs working.
only thing if one go forth and back seeking on the video it can hang, but normally is stable(it happens sometimes it seems now and I used to happen on Alien but now it is better).
And those coming Intel GPUīs that Hendrik mentioned could be something good. Something to look forward too. ( a recognized dev(nevcairiel) at doom9(under software players he wrote he had purchased the gpu in the thread about latest recommended amd nvidia intel gpu driver thread) has bought the intel B580...so we will know soon if this could be a good video renderer).
Update on artifacts:( lg oled b1 65 inch, interpolation set to natural, most pic setting is turned off, recommended by rtings settings, windows 11 23h2, 32 gb ram, i5 12600kf, msi rtx 3050 ventus 8 gb.)
Reguarding artifacts this is also much better too. Jason Bourne 2002 (4K remux)at the end of the movie, there is one of the most difficult(horribel actually) short motion scene, where Bourne is walking by a newspaper-outlet and the cam is following him close up as he walks( the scene is shown soon after Bourne makes his chasers a phone call after killing one of their agents in a corn field)...in this scene there is a lot of artifacts, which is even more reduced now. His head is now uniform throughout the scene. This is on sdr(I only use sdr, due to motion and artifacts improvements it provides. It is better). So this new mode is an improvement and there are also another scene in the beginning of the movie where he climbs outside the wall of a building which after climbing down the wall, he then jumps to the ground and the camera pans/follow him as he meets the ground and raise his body after hitting the ground. In this scene it shows the usual artifacts above his body as he raises himself due the rapid movement( an unclear space above his body and the surroundings. This artifact is also much improved now, almost gone. so timing is very important when it comes to smoothness and artifacts(Tv- JRiver - NPīs vsync/driver work better together). The Lg truemotion/interpolation performs better due to better timing. Jrvr has a tighter grip on the motionhandling somehow which reduces the artifacts. Splendid work by Hendrik!
Good things happen to those who wait! :D. And I know this endevour is done wholeheartedly for the sake of music and movie lovers. Obviously money is not the main goal for this great team. So if one feel there are to many things that are not perfect, one have to have this in mind.
note. some sudden motion has microstutter...and next time it is gone..so there are some things that are not that great and uneven.
masterjoe:
--- Quote from: Hendrik on August 27, 2024, 03:41:27 am ---Blending for small differences in frame rate is a terrible experience, it would lead to a very obvious distracting effect. Blending can be used when your refresh rate is much higher then the video frame rate, ideally 2-3x at least, but when you achieve that, the timing differences in frames is also already quite minimized.
Personally I run most content at either 120 or 100 Hz (120 for 24/30 fps and 100 for 25/50 fps), its not only an integer multiple of the frame rate, which always results in a more even presentation, its also so high that small corrections result in the "wrong" image shown for 8.3ms, rather then eg. 42ms at 24p.
If you see those kind of timing problems (not everyone does, and some TVs also automatically compensate), I would generally recommend to try to setup matching refresh rates and automatic switching. TVs can generally do all relevant rates, although desktop monitors are more limited.
We might offer blending at some point in the future, but its not planned for right now (eg. most likely not in MC33)
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My TV and GFX can't do more than 60Hz and the HDMI cable connecting the TV to the PC is about 15m long. So higher refresh rates are impossible.
Is AI frame interpolation (RE:Vision Effects Twixtor style) a thing that you might introduce at some point in MC? This could also solve this issue.
THX
masterjoe:
--- Quote from: jmone on August 27, 2024, 04:35:27 am ---The option Hendrik is suggesting is under Tools--> Options--> Video--> Display Settings. Change "Display Settings automatic change mode" to "On". You can customize some option underneath if needed, but it usually works out of the box on most displays and TVs.
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Sounds interesting - will have a look at how well this works :) THX!
DocCharky:
--- Quote from: masterjoe on August 28, 2024, 01:33:46 am ---
Is AI frame interpolation (RE:Vision Effects Twixtor style) a thing that you might introduce at some point in MC? This could also solve this issue.
THX
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It's likely best to let your display handle motion interpolation (if it has that capability). Software solutions (like SmoothVideo Project) aren't as effective and/or put a significant strain on your GPU. I believe madshi developed his own algorithm, but it's exclusive to the Envy madVR boxes.
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