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[RoyD]

System - 8 year old pc with dual boot Windows 10 & Linux Mint (separate SSD boot drives)

Kernel: 5.15.0-118-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 11.4.0 Desktop: Cinnamon 6.0.4
    tk: GTK 3.24.33 wm: muffin vt: 7 dm: LightDM 1.30.0 Distro: Linux Mint 21.3 Virginia
    base: Ubuntu 22.04 jammy

    1. Approximately 1300 songs in library
        1.1. Original library from “PonoMusic World 20” was not imported. Files were copied to new SSD.
        1.2. Music stored on 1TB SSD with NTFS file system. Installed Fuse & ntfs-3g allowing me to read and write to drive using both Mint & Windows 10 applications.
    2. 3 different Pono players used for different types of music preferences therefore no syncing except for playlists
    3. Pono Player Issues:
        3.1. MC doesn't distinguish between each player's main memory (shows previously named handheld regardless of which unit is attached)
        3.2. MC library shows path including drive’s unique UUID but doesn’t assign it to the handheld name? (See attached photos)
        3.3. Playlists
            1. Clicking on playlist name displays no contents although playlist exists and functions.
            2. To add songs to a playlist must delete and start new.
        3.4. "Eject" function doesn't work – I use Mint to eject handheld.

I haven’t tried deleting everything from the Pono players and reinstalling with MC 32.0.58. I noticed a post that mentions the "platform.jmd" file. Mine is correct showing "[Platform]=Linux".

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I’m trying to wean off microsoft as much as possible.

Roy

[RoyD]

I just noticed the MC library listing screen shot (taken this morning) for the Pono Main memory songs show "/PONOPLAYER/" in the path rather than the UUID! I'm pretty sure last week when I first checked this the path contained the /UUID/ just as the SD card library. Of course I could be losing my mind. Sorry for the confusion.

[David Sydney]

Hi Roy - I too have migrated to off Windows Manjaro about 2 years now. I longer a dual boot but I run Windows in a Virtual machine..I am not super expert in Linux yet, but have treaded similar path as you.

I think you may have answered your own question. If you are using Disks as per you screen shot, then I suggest hitting the cogs wheels and edit mount details, to create different mount points for your different devices (UUIDs) and then make sure they are mounted on boot. MC is relying on the linux filesystem underneath, so if you mount different device to the same place or you let linux assign it (run/media/ etc/) the results can very and definitely overlapping different removable devices being mounted at the same file path is possible - which will cause problems if you are trying to treat them as different.

[RoyD]

I think you may have answered your own question. If you are using Disks as per you screen shot, then I suggest hitting the cogs wheels and edit mount details, to create different mount points for your different devices (UUIDs) and then make sure they are mounted on boot. MC is relying on the linux filesystem underneath, so if you mount different device to the same place or you let linux assign it (run/media/ etc/) the results can very and definitely overlapping different removable devices being mounted at the same file path is possible - which will cause problems if you are trying to treat them as different.

Thanks so much for your input! Setting mount options in "Disks" has resolved the library issue of not knowing which Pono was attached although when I launch MC it shows all handheld drives whether they are attached or not. I've given each main memory & SD drive it's own name. This however hasn't changed the issues with playlists and the eject function. The existing playlists still don't show their contents in the MC library and can't add songs. Now when I unmount with Mint the playlist contents are empty until I do a reset on the Pono.

Maybe this is why "PonoMusic World 20" was created in the first place. As good as the sound is the Pono Player wasn't exactly Neil Young's best achievement.

When I have more time I'll check some other things. For now I can create playlists with a text editor. Again I appreciate your time David!

[RoyD]

Problem resolved:
Linux Mint doesn't support 32 bit since version 20. Pono Player is 32 bit! Since Microsoft dropped 32 bit with Windows 11 it's safe to say the Pono won't work with that either. Wish I had known before I transferred my JRiver MC license over to the Linux player. I think I'll have to pay another $28 to get back what I had.

The main memory on the Pono has an android folder but it only seems to contain "album cover art" files. Any chance the entire OS is in the 32MB firmware? Reformatting the drive to 64 bit could brick it.

[Awesome Donkey]

Since Microsoft dropped 32 bit with Windows 11 it's safe to say the Pono won't work with that either.

Actually, that's not the case. 32-bit apps and drivers typically work just fine on 64-bit Windows. You'd just have to use the 32-bit version of Media Center instead of the 64-bit version in order to use it with a Pono, assuming there's indeed no 64-bit drivers for it. Otherwise 32-bit apps and more importantly 32-bit drivers work fine in 64-bit Windows.

Also you can run 32-bit Media Center on a 64-bit Linux distro too as long as it supports multiarch (which Debian and Ubuntu and Mint does), though I personally wouldn't recommend it as in my experience over the years it *can* cause issues and can be a hassle to get installed, but it can be done.

[bob]

The Pono firmware is unfortunately awful.
Going through the usb connection to the internal storage is brutally slow.
I'd suggest you use the same approach that I do.
Put all of your media on the external microSD card and use that with a card reader on your linux PC.
Set that card up in MC as a manual handheld.
This works fine on linux or windows and it infinitely faster.
Note that when you put a larger card (I have 400GB) into the Pono and fill it up with material the Pono has to index it and that is also quite slow.
Just put it on external power and be patient until it finishes.

[RoyD]

Actually, that's not the case. 32-bit apps and drivers typically work just fine on 64-bit Windows. You'd just have to use the 32-bit version of Media Center instead of the 64-bit version in order to use it with a Pono, assuming there's indeed no 64-bit drivers for it. Otherwise 32-bit apps and more importantly 32-bit drivers work fine in 64-bit Windows.

Also you can run 32-bit Media Center on a 64-bit Linux distro too as long as it supports multiarch (which Debian and Ubuntu and Mint does), though I personally wouldn't recommend it as in my experience over the years it *can* cause issues and can be a hassle to get installed, but it can be done.

Just curious as to why I can copy new music to both the main memory and the SD card (and delete songs) using nemo if the driver is a problem.

[RoyD]

The Pono firmware is unfortunately awful.
Going through the usb connection to the internal storage is brutally slow.
I'd suggest you use the same approach that I do.
Put all of your media on the external microSD card and use that with a card reader on your linux PC.
Set that card up in MC as a manual handheld.
This works fine on linux or windows and it infinitely faster.
Note that when you put a larger card (I have 400GB) into the Pono and fill it up with material the Pono has to index it and that is also quite slow.
Just put it on external power and be patient until it finishes.

I can copy and delete songs from the player using nemo and it works fast enough (much faster than MC). The whole idea of Media Center was making playlists easier than using a text editor.

[bob]

I can copy and delete songs from the player using nemo and it works fast enough (much faster than MC). The whole idea of Media Center was making playlists easier than using a text editor.

If you have the latest firmware on the Pono it's slow as crap whether or not you use a program to copy the files to it or just drop them on a mount of the Pono.

An sdcard connected to a USB3 port with a reader is like 100 times faster.