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[Marko]

I posted earlier about tv recording problems.......
http://www.musicex.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=beta;action=display;num=1042030770

This evening, I stumbled across this entry in my win.ini file, could this be affecting MC + TV recording?

Code: [Select]

[MCI Extensions.BAK]
aif=MPEGVideo
aifc=MPEGVideo
aiff=MPEGVideo
asf=MPEGVideo2
asx=MPEGVideo2
au=MPEGVideo
m1v=MPEGVideo
m3u=MPEGVideo2
mp2=MPEGVideo
mp2v=MPEGVideo
mp3=MPEGVideo2
mpa=MPEGVideo
mpe=MPEGVideo
mpeg=MPEGVideo
mpg=MPEGVideo
mpv2=MPEGVideo
snd=MPEGVideo
wax=MPEGVideo2
wm=MPEGVideo2
wma=MPEGVideo2
wmv=MPEGVideo2
wmx=MPEGVideo2
wvx=MPEGVideo2
ivf=MPEGVideo2
[annie]
CaptureFile=C:\Documents and Settings\myaccount\My Documents\test
VideoDevice=0
AudioDevice=0
FrameRate=667111
UseFrameRate=1
CaptureAudio=1
CaptureCC=0
WantPreview=0
MasterStream=1
UseTimeLimit=0
TimeLimit=0
I don't really want to muck around with the file without getting an experts' opinion 1st as I'm not too sure what the file actually does.

[Yaobing]

Hi Marko,

Sorry I did not answer your previous post. I did not know what to tell you.

The stuff in your win.ini file seems to be alright. There is nothing suspicious there. The section labelled [annie] is actually used by Microsoft's DirectShow sample program AMCap.exe. It looks like you have tried that program. Did recording work with that program?

Yaobing

[Marko]

Hi Marko,

Sorry I did not answer your previous post. I did not know what to tell you.

The stuff in your win.ini file seems to be alright. There is nothing suspicious there. The section labelled [annie] is actually used by Microsoft's DirectShow sample program AMCap.exe. It looks like you have tried that program. Did recording work with that program?

Yaobing

No problem. Nice to know you looked at it.
I'll keep plugging away @ it this end, just nice to know there's someone to bounce off when I find things I'm not sure of.

The really frustrating thing is that a few builds back, recording worked flawlessly with MC!!! Jeeez I was so excited as it was the 1st app EVER to work for me. The annoying thing is, I can't remember which one it was.
The TV card is the last surving piece of hardware from a Packard Bell PC I bought a few years ago, so I always thought it most likely that PB may have changed something on the card itself to suit themselves.

Amcap's a microsoft proggie? We never stop learning do we:) The first I heard of this one was when the lastest drivers/application files from hauppague placed a shortcut to it in their start menu folder. Yes I did try it out, and no, I couldn't get it to work. I wasn't able to pick up a channel with it, never mind record one.

I'll have a look @ the new build once I've posted this....
you never know:)

btw, I thought about trying all the builds I've got here to try and track down the one that worked for me and 2 things came to mind....

• If it's purely a system limitation here, the one that worked before may also not be working now.
• I would need to be certain that each installation was a "clean" one. ie. that there is no debris laying around from a previous install for the new one to detect.

That's a lot of hassle. If, by chance, I was lucky enough to find the build that worked, would that be of any help to you? If no, then I'll pass. If yes, are there instructions anywhere for a complete removal of Media Center?

[Yaobing]

Amcap's a microsoft proggie? We never stop learning do we The first I heard of this one was when the lastest drivers/application files from hauppague placed a shortcut to it in their start menu folder. Yes I did try it out, and no, I couldn't get it to work. I wasn't able to pick up a channel with it, never mind record one.

AMCap is a Microsoft sample program, some of my code is based on it. Hauppauge has a version of it for download, for testing purposes I suppose.

To tune to a channel, go to Options menu and select "TV Tuner ..." and choose a channel, and other options (such as cable or antenna) there. To record, go to Capture menu and select "Start Capture" (and use "Stop Capture" there to stop recording).

If MC TV worked a few builds ago, then there are two possibilities. One is the changes that I made, the other is the changes on your system.

There has been very little change in the area of recording. Therefore I am leaning toward system change being the cause. Being able to identify which version worked would be nice but do not try too hard on that. I will have to do some test myself to be able to figure out.

Have you made any changes in your video card? Video driver? Display options?

Yaobing

[Marko]

Hokay.......
Update time......

I've found the fellow that worked and I'm not too sure if you're going to like this, but, it's v8.0.388.

It's recording while displaying output onscreen, the only glitch remaining is the noise line....


I think this nails it as an MC9 problem. What, do you suppose, are the chances of this working in MC9 by the time it comes out of beta?

Any ideas Yaobing? Am I the only one who is having this problem in MC9?

I've pasted my "system info according to MJ" below, but will add a little more here as I reckon it's prolly needed for this particular problem.....
Hardware
Mobo - Asus A7V266-e (raid) (Via kt266 chipset)
Graphics - Creative 3D Blaster GeForce 3 Ti 200
Sound - Creative SB Player
TV Card - Hauppague WinTV 2000 PCI
Drivers
MoBo - Still using the chipset drivers installed by windows.
Graphics - Creative driver version 31.50 (there's 41.80 on their site but it plagues me with the dreaded "infinite loop" error making it un-useable, also, I get better service from these drivers than any of the reference ones I've d'loaded from Nvidia's website)
Sound - Latest XP driver update from Creative's website
TV Card - Latest WDM/WHQL drivers + application files from Hauppague's site.
If I use MJ/MC for tv viewing, do I still need hauppague's application files installed?

Media Jukebox PLUS 8.0.388
Install Path: C:\Program Files\Media Jukebox\

CPU: AMD Athlon 1611 MHz MMX
Memory: Total - 1048 MB, Free - 691 MB
OS: Microsoft Windows XP  Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106
ComCtl32.dll: 6.00.2800.1106
Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106
Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1145
wnaspi32.dll: Internal ASPI Layer

[Yaobing]

Hi Marko,

Thanks for the update.

I will have to do some digging and testing to figure out what is wrong.

If I use MJ/MC for tv viewing, do I still need hauppague's application files installed?

You should be able to do without Hauppauge's application. In the past we have always advised users to install the card manufacturer's application, to ensure eveything works correctly. But I do not see why you can not try removing it. Sometimes removing the application may mess up the driver, but you always have the option of reinstalling it if that happens.

As for the noise line in recorded video, I tend to think that it came with the video source or the card driver. The "Edge Cropping" option in MJ/MC crops off the edge so you do not see the noise, but only does so for normal viewing (not for recording - it gets a little more complicated for recording). You can verify this by unchecking "Edge Cropping" and see if you will get the noise line on the edge during normal viewing. I will see if there is a way of cropping it off during recording. If not, then the best thing to do is to do it during playback (I know the player in MC does not offer this option, so maybe something can be done there).

Yaobing

[Marko]

Nice one Yaobing. If you need me to do any testing, just shout.

The other thing I should have mentioned is that during normal viewing, there is no noise line, it only manifests itself when playing back the recorded file.

I'll try to make time this week to remove the hauppague app files and re-install MC9. I'll let you know what happens.

[Marko]

Update - (this one might demonstrate my ignorance of how things work)

I was playing around in the TV config settings of MJ8 and managed to break it again. I broke it by setting the capture resolution to 640 x 480. I whipped MJ8 out and reinstalled MC9.0.88......
Under "Recording/timeshifting profile" in MC9 the default setting is "640 x 240 JRiver Codec Timeshift, WMV Recording, 29.97" and TV recording gives this unable to display etc. etc. error. If I change this to the "320 x 240 JRiver Codec 29.97fps"......... tadaaaaaaaaaaaaa..... TV recording outputs the video as well as recording it.

Confused? I know I am

Edit: The one other thing of course is the possibility of registry entries or .dll's from one version affecting operation of the other. I say this because during each uninstall I chose the remove registry settings etc but on reinstalling MC9, I did not need to retune the TV. All the settings were as they were prior to uninstalling, and the shellext.dll didn't get unloaded.

[Yaobing]

If I change this to the "320 x 240 JRiver Codec 29.97fps"......... tadaaaaaaaaaaaaa..... TV recording outputs the video as well as recording it.

Confused? I know I am  

I should have remembered this! Glad you have it figured out. It may well be that your Hauppauge card can not record at high video size while still offering a preview of video.

In the latest few builds of MC9, I have made significant changes in recording configuration. Setting the default recording size to 640X240 was one of them. The setting is good for ATI AIW users, but may not be appropriate for users of other devices. I have given Jim a modified document on TV recording and time shifting, which will replace the text here http://www.musicex.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=beta;action=display;num=1036784704
that was written before the changes. Hope that will help some users solve their recording problems.

Update:
The instructions at the link above has been updated.

Yaobing

[Marko]

I think this nails it as an MC9 problem

Ok, I'll take that back, though perhaps some tv recording tips could make their way into the help file for the final release?

I'll keep half an eye on that link too as I plan to delve into this TV recording stuff in the very near future, especially as MC\JRiver has provided software that will actually work for me (even the hauppauge capture proggy wouldn't work right here). I feel there's a lot to learn...
prefered file types, prefered compression codecs, limitations, pro's and cons etc. etc.
Reckon it could be fun and if it offers rewards I might even look at upgrading the card (don't tell the wife )

Yaobing,
When using new software and hitting problems like that, it's often hard to know if it's a system, software or user problem, and, rightly or wrongly, I reckon 99.99% of the time, the new software gets the blame!!  Thank you for your replies here, they have most definately been appreciated.
I knew I was right to buy MC:D