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[nila]

Biggest thanks is for changing from vb to C - YES!!!

[DocLotus]

Hay Rhino...

This thread is taking forever to load.  Maybe it's time for a new thread? ?

[RhinoBanga]

I'll start a new thread when the next version is released ... but it loads instantly here ... but then I always go to the last page.

[NoCodeUK]

Hi Rhino - I have set up a new database but when it tries to load images it hangs at 55 % and then crashes MJ.  This happens every time.  Any ideas?? I have tried making a new database but with the same result..


Adam

[dragyn]

AV is crashing on load. It gets to 2% and then MJ crashes.

I went back to v8. I have my files in UNC format. Would that make a difference? I suppose some files were tagged with v9 also.

Media Jukebox PLUS 8.0.379
Install Path: C:\Program Files\J River\Media Jukebox\

CPU: AMD Athlon 805 MHz MMX
Memory: Total - 196 MB, Free - 82 MB
OS: Microsoft Windows XP  Workstation 5.1 Service Pack 1 (Build 2600)

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106
ComCtl32.dll: 6.00.2800.1106
Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106
Shell32.dll: 6.00.2800.1106
wnaspi32.dll: Internal ASPI Layer

[RhinoBanga]

Adam

Hi Rhino - I have set up a new database but when it tries to load images it hangs at 55 % and then crashes MJ.  This happens every time.  Any ideas?? I have tried making a new database but with the same result..

Are you using v9?   If so then try v8.

You can switch off background image loading by running regedit and navigating to:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\James Dickson\Album View\2.0\Artwork

And set BackgroundLoading to 00 00 00 00.

Then when you browse you will get a rough idea as to what image is causing the issue and then you could email them to me (assuming they are external images of course).




dragyn
I have UNC files all over the place so it's not that.   I am wondering if it's the same issue as Adam above.  Are you using internal images at all or are they all external?   Also at what stage was the 2% ... background image loading?   If so then can you try the same as above.

[NoCodeUK]

Hi Rhino,

Thanks for the reply.  I am using version 8...  I will try what you said next time I am at home.  I only use internal images i.e. in the tags although there are external images in each of the folders for the benefit of XP.  I will see if turning that off makes any difference.  It doesn't crash the plug in as when the error message comes up I can still click in the plugin it actually crashes MJ itself so as soon as I click okay it shuts down the whole program.  The fact that it is at 55% each time I am guessing it is one particular file although it may be difficult to find which one it is,

Cheers for the reply,

Adam

[RhinoBanga]

It's easy enough to narrow it down ... use the search facility in the wizard to limit your database, e.g:

artist=["d


To only process all the artists who's name begins with d.

[dragyn]

I did the regedit setting and it does finish this time but when going to overview, it shows 3 albums and then crashes.

I do have internal and external images.

[RhinoBanga]

dragyn,

Albums should have been shown in alphabetical order so can you guess as to what the 4th album was?

If so can you try limiting the database to:

album=[<albumname>]

Where <albumname> is the name of the album you suspect it is.

This should hopefully just create a DB with that one album that crashing AV.

When you confirm the album that is causing the issue can you check to see if it is using internal or external images.

If it is external images can you email me the pic please.

If it's internal can you try removing the image to see if that works ok.

[dragyn]

Hi Rhino,

It was a file that had an internal image. When looking at it through MJ, it said inside file but the image was blank. Removed the image and now everything is fine.

This also happens to be a file that, when I was using an older version of AV, the extraction wizard for internal images extracted this image but the image was also blank and would not view.

Could have just been a corrupted file.

[RhinoBanga]

Could have just been a corrupted file.

That's the sort of thing I like to hear ... not an AV issue

But good thing you posted as you've reminded me to put the extraction wizard back into AV  

[NoCodeUK]

Turns out mine was a corrupted file too!!  Thanks for the advice.  I used the search criteris to narrow down the artist that was casuing problems and then it was just a case of finding which album...

Thanks for all your help

Adam

[nila]

Hey Rhino,
I'm just going through all my albums right now, getting covers for them all.
It's a long painful task.

As I was doing it though I've noticed that some of my albums are formatted perfectly:
- nice consistent naming format (artist - album - # - title)
- all with a .m3u playlist file for the album inside the folder
- all with a .sfv file inside the folder too so I could check the album for consistency at any point.
- all consistent quality (bitrate)

Others though were a mess, some of them had mixed naming formats (probably a result of accidentally hitting a button in MJ when I was learning how to use it), different bitrates, no .sfv or .m3u files

I was wondering, we talked about it before, putting a report back into AV. As well as the report saying which albums had unmatched bitrates, would it be possible to extend it to check the naming scheme of the album and also if there was a .m3u playlist in that folder (that is presuming people keep their albums in their own folders which I'd imagine most do).
And then have an option for it to rename all the albums found to a specified naming format and create a .m3u playlist.
I'd say a .sfv file too but that might be a lot more work if you dont already know how to create crc checksums. If you do though then possibly a .sfv file too

I was thinking about it a bit and realised that your plugin was def. the best place for such a feature as it needs to look at the mp3's as albums in order to do this and so your plugin already does the main part of the job.

What'd you think? any chance?

Also, a report for albums with missing covers to make it easy to work out which albums had covers missing. Along with a right click option 'update cover' which then basically ran the cover finding code again but just for that specific album. Would make it easy to add a cover to one album when u got a cover for it rather than having to run the whole wizard again.

[RhinoBanga]

I was wondering, we talked about it before, putting a report back into AV. As well as the report saying which albums had unmatched bitrates

You already have the bitrate match column.

would it be possible to extend it to check the naming scheme of the album

Interesting ... I'll put it on the todo list and look at it after I release this version

and also if there was a .m3u playlist in that folder (that is presuming people keep their albums in their own folders which I'd imagine most do).

Easy to do ... I'll put that in as an option.

And then have an option for it to rename all the albums found to a specified naming format and create a .m3u playlist.

Ooooo ... big changes   I'll put it on the todo list and consider it later.

I'd say a .sfv file too but that might be a lot more work if you dont already know how to create crc checksums. If you do though then possibly a .sfv file too

SFV files are easy ... I wrote a SFV file checker using memory mapped files ages ago as I wasn't happy with the solutions out there.

What'd you think? any chance?

Well I've put them on the todo list

Also, a report for albums with missing covers to make it easy to work out which albums had covers missing.

You already have that ... click on the "Thumbnail" column and all the entries with blank don't have artwork.

Along with a right click option 'update cover' which then basically ran the cover finding code again but just for that specific album. Would make it easy to add a cover to one album when u got a cover for it rather than having to run the whole wizard again.

That's defo on the todo list ... which is getting bigger by the minute

[nila]

Good good
Keep you busy.
I'd hate to see that to do list getting too small. You'd have too much free time on your hands and an idea mind is the devils playground as they say

But it'd make your plugin really powerful and give it some really nice options. It'd make it the perfect tool after ripping an album just to sort the album nicely.

I was also wondering, some of the info on AV2 is stored in your own db. What happens with rating etc when we do a fresh db scan from start so that AV can update to new albums we've added to MJ. Does it loose the old settings or what?

A very useful button might just be: Update DB.
Basically just rescan MJ and look for new albums without changing any of the settings or albums already added.
It could also report on ones that were now missing from MJ etc.

[RhinoBanga]

LOL ... when was the last time you did a scan?

If you checked you would have seen a disabled button on page two.   The caption reads:

"Should Album View preserve your current album settings, e.g. Rank?"


Again it's on the todo list

[nila]

That option is greyed out for me

[RhinoBanga]

That option is greyed out for me

And that's why I originally described it as disabled

I've already thought about that facility and that's where it will be activated.

[JohnC]

Hi Rhino
I have been updating my albums with cover art, these I save in the tags. How do I refresh Album view to show these new covers??  

Thanks

John C ?

[RhinoBanga]

Just re-create the database for now.

[JohnC]

Thanks. That worked fine.

When you say 'for now', do you intend adding a button to refresh database??

John C

[RhinoBanga]

For artwork I am considering adding the ability to refresh, i.e. follow thru the rules in step 5 of the wizard.

Another option I have is run-time resolution, i.e. if an album doesn't have artwork found at DB creation time then try and find it when you view it within AV.   This has some advantages but the biggest drawback is speed ... and that's the whole reason for V2 of AV so I don't really want to compromise that aspect.

[Ilmar]

Hi Rhino

Thanks for mailing me that copy of AV. It is terrific. I have no complaints, it works brilliantly. Been a madhouse here this last week, so long to get back to you. However, if you are considering further options, here are a few to kick around:

1. On double click on album, go to Playing Now
2. Random Album select and play
3. Hotkey for ballon on selected album in Overview
4. Push JRiver for a Toolbar Button
5. Default image = genre.jpg or default.jpg

I really do love this plugin!

Ilmar

[JohnC]

Hi Rhino

I have a problem with the listing of one album. I have checked the id tag info and it all seems OK. But when selected in AV, it doesn't show the album in track order, it is all jumbled. Where does AV read its information from??  In the Album folder the tracks are not listed numerically, is that the problem.

I tried re-numbering them, but still no good.

Thanks

John C

[RhinoBanga]

By default AV sorts the tracks by tracknumber.   This sequence is then held in the AV database.

If you resequence you will have to regenerate the database *or* utilize the "Sort tracks by location within an album" in the options/general screen.   This will only work if you physically name your tracks like so:

<TrackNumber> - <TrackName>


For example:

01 - Part One.mp3
02 - Part Two.mp3

[JohnC]

Thanks for the quick reply.

I removed the tick from ' sort by location' then re created my database. This sorted my problem.

Cheers

John C

[RhinoBanga]

Hi ilmar!

1. On double click on album, go to Playing Now

I'll put that as an option in the next version which should be this week.

2. Random Album select and play

Hmmm ... not too sure about this one ... I'll have a think.

3. Hotkey for ballon on selected album in Overview

I'll put it in.

4. Push JRiver for a Toolbar Button

Would be nice but I doub't they'd do it and if they did it would probably be only for v9.

5. Default image = genre.jpg or default.jpg

I don't understand?  Do you mean if you view via the Genre tree path then the default image should be genre.jpg?

If so then it may be possible but I think only you would use it

I'll see what I can do.

[Shelly]

Rhino,

If the database is scanned a second time, MJ consistently crashes.  There's no problem with an initial scan.  

Thanks for all of your hard work!

Shelly

[RhinoBanga]

Rhino,

If the database is scanned a second time, MJ consistently crashes.  There's no problem with an initial scan.  

Thanks for all of your hard work!

Shelly

I've just tried it here 5 times in a row and it worked.

Maybe I've fixed something ... try it when the next version is out.

[Ilmar]

Hi

Default image = genre.jpg or default.jpg

>I don't understand?  Do you mean if you view via the
>Genre tree path then the default image should be
>genre.jpg?


You currently have a default image available in options, so that if there is no Artwork for a given album, this image will be shown...

I suggest that you could extend that to display default images based on the genre, or the default image if that "genre default" image does not exist. So you could have in the default image location 1, 5 or 50 different images to use where there is no artwork for a given album.

I still dont think I explained it right.  :-/

Thanks

Ilmar

[RhinoBanga]

I will put <Genre> as a token for the artwork directories section in step 5 of the wizard.

That should do it.

In fact I'll put all the tokens I know about, e.g. <Year>, etc.

[Ilmar]

Hi Rhino

I told you I hadn't explained it right !!! At the moment only about 60% of my albums have artwork. So in Overview mode, I can see 60% of my albums with covers and 40% with the MJ Logo. I didnt like the MJ Logo much for this so I used the option for a default image, where I browse to a location etc. Now 40% of my covers are of this new default jpg file......

My thought was that it would be nice if that default jpg was variable, so that I would have a location (different to the cover art location) where I could design jpgs for different genres, where there was not original cover art to display.

So! in overview mode, I would have for example 10% of my covers using a cool NewAge design cover, 25% Classical and 5% Jazz etc. But the remaining 60% would be the correct covers where coverart - cover.jpg was found in the album directories.

Hey, maybe not such a cool idea after all.

Ilmar

[nila]

Another idea
To go with that report one I mentioned earlier for checking albums.
I used chart finder thinking it'd be a smart idea and didn't really think about it much. Now I find it's changed the year of particular songs in albums to the year they charted in which really causes me problems when tryin to use MJ with  Year/Artist/Album
So I've got like random songs in an album with different years and stuff.
Would it be possible to make that report also check the year of all the songs in each album and make sure they're the same (majority wins rule). Also the genre of each song.
Obviously make these optional as some people might want each songs release date set specifically. I personally like it all the same for my albums.

[RhinoBanga]

Ilmar,

Maybe I'm missing something but surely using the <Genre> tag would do it?

For example if you put as the last search rule:

C:\My Music\Cover Art\Genres\<Genre>.jpg

The if all of the prior rules failed then it would try the one above ... and if that failed then it would use default.jpg.




Nila,

The way it works at the moment is that if the year/genre is all the same then it uses that value.   If they are different then it shows Various and if they are not set then it's Unnasigned (or blank in the case of year).

I can add weighting options to the wizard but it's not a 5 minute job.   I'll put it on the todo but don't expect it in the immediate future as I have higher priority items.

[Ilmar]

Hi Rhino

Is that the dawn I see...  

I didn't know you could have different locations for cover art on an IF none then NEXT basis.

Wow that is powerful ! Brilliant!

Must play with that. Now where is my diary...
(..at the moment I need entries in my diary just to breathe)

Keep up the great work

Ilmar

[nila]

Rhino,
I'm not sure if you understood what I mean.

Basically - I used Chart Finder on my collection without realising what I was doing fully and it's changed the year of like 1 song in an album to be different from the year of the album itself. ALL the rest of the songs have the same year but now I've got like one song that Chart Finder changed that has a different year.
I was just wondering if AV would (at a later point if/when you build that album analysis I mentioned earlier that you said you might do) you could make it also change any random songs in the album that didn't match the rest.

[RhinoBanga]

I am planning on having an Artwork menu item.

So you can select x number of albums, right click and pull up the menu, choose Artwork and it would show shomething like:

Set Image
Recalculate Image


I will add something similar for Genre and Year where you can enter the value you want.


Note that this will only set the value in the AV database ... not MJ ... although I may change it in the future that it does both, i.e. when you set year it will set all the tracks to the specified year as well as the AV album entry.

I'm not 100% sure I want to go down that path though as it opens up a can of worms.

[nila]

Sounds good
Actual updating of the id3 tags I think is going to have to be the final point for AV as otherwise all information is lost with the AV db or with songs being moved etc.
Saving the info into the songs is the only way to make it a more long term solution.

But I see why your worried about it, it is a BIG step and one that will obviously release a lot of worms
There's no rush to make it for a while either

Cant wait to try the next AV release

Keep up the great work and GOOD MORNING

[Marty3d]

I don't know if it's been reported before...but I give it a shot
I sawa a thread about a memory leak from MJ...and come to think about checking myself...I found out that after 24h MJ just used about 400mb och swap file :/
But after uninstalling AV2, it didn't go over 20mb RAM and ca 30mb of swap...so I figure it COULD be AV2 that creates the leak... anyone else noticed this?

Otherwise...AV is supercool! Thanks!

[Ilmar]

Hi

So thats why I get a virtual memory warning  

I figured we were early in the Beta development, so it didn't worry me too much. Besides how d'ya measurehow much you leak?

Ilmar

[RhinoBanga]

If it's this thread:

http://www.musicex.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general;action=display;num=1033555426


Then you'll see that it was an MJ issue.

I haven't seen any memory leaks with this version of AV and I develop using memory checkers, e.g. Boundschecker ... but that doesn't mean they don't exist


I am wondering if it's to do with the number of images you actually have as Windows loads them all into memory.   For each image you really have 4 versions of it.   The Icon sized one, the tile sized one, the balloon sized one and finally the report sized one.   All of these are bitmaps so are quite big (especially if you set the icon image size to 200x200) ... therefore if you have 400+ images that's a lot of memory.

As a test re-create your DB but in the artwork search rules delete all entries.   This will just use one image.


Let me know if the memory issue is there after doing that.

[Marty3d]

Ilmar: I just use the taskmanager and then view the process "MediaJukebox.exe"...you can add virtual memory to the columns as well

Rhino...I don't think it's the images that cranks the memory use up. Why would they increase by time? When MJ starts, it has normal mem values, but after some hours it's mad

I uninstalled AV temporarily and I have a little too much to do right now at home, so hopefully you forgive me for waiting til next version of AV to test again..?

Cheers!
/Martin

[RhinoBanga]

It depends if you have background loading on.

If you don't then images are loaded as you view them.

I just looked at it here and my VM usage never went above 15mb and I loaded all my images at 150x150.   That was with a small DB with 77 albums.   I will try my 360 album DB when I get home.

Maybe it's something else ... what are your OS/machine details?

[Ilmar]

Hi

Not convinced it is AV that drains the memory, as I have lots of other stuff running too, some of it suspect already.

I will keep an eye on it though.

Rhino: Have you made any changes to AV yet. It is difficult to tell as the number always stays the same.

Ilmar

[RhinoBanga]

I have made loads bit I haven't released it yet ... maybe tonight ... if not tomorrow.

Here's the changelog so far:

Selecting multiple albums did not reset track details
Issue where sometimes playing now's track name got overwritten
Updated about box
Added <AlbumPath>\folder.jpg and <AlbumPath>\*front*.jpg to the list of default artwork directories
Changed Hotkeys dialog to give more room for "exotic" values
Can now set the width of the tiles
Switched tiles from scrolling horizontally to vertically
Added right-mouse menu to treeviews
Added MJ "database image" support for album artwork
Added border around track details images
Added support for <Genre>, <Year>, <NumTracks>, <Bitrate> and <Type> for artwork directory rules in wizard.
Added right-mouse click sort ability
Added keyboard menu button support so can popup right mouse menu
Implemented owner draw large icons and can configure text like tile view

[RhinoBanga]

The new version is available:

http://www.musicex.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Other_Plugins;action=display;num=1033677806;start=0