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[SMatson]

I am trialing MC to rip and manage my music library.  I read at IPod lounge that ripping to WAV and then batch converting was faster.  My rip to WAV is only up to 7X but my cd player is 24X.  Shouldn't rip to wav (no compression) be faster?   ?

[LisaRCT]

The CD drive may be 24x but I have noticed that some music rips faster as it contains less intensity/bpm/dynamics/etc.  Try another disc and you may see a difference.

Another factor . . . 'Copy Mode' setting
(Options -->> Device -->> Advanced Ripping Settings -->> Copy Mode)
'Secure' mode will take more time than 'Normal' as it insures 'bit-true'.

As far as 'Batch Converting', I find MC's 'Rip & Encode Simultaneously' to be pretty quick.  I will batch convert if I am 'power-ripping' a large number of discs, but only because I can use other software for the conversion which allows me to set the 'priority level' to work in the background imposing very little processor load and thus being unintrusive.  MC does not YET have this setting available (hint hint Matt).

I hope this helps.

[rocketsauce]

I have noticed that some music rips faster as it contains less intensity/bpm/dynamics/etc.

   ?  

Rob

[LisaRCT]

 ?  

Rob

I had ripped a cd (high intensity/high-fidelity music with ALOT of dynamic range . . .  Telarc) and without considering that factor decided that since my 40x was ripping at about 2x-4x I'd try it in another drive.  Same results . . .go figgure.  
So I go about ripping more disks . . . noticing that there was again high speeds by both drives . . .  disc dependable not device dependable.
Now it may have been the ripping mode . . . . secure mode may take longer to check the rip for 'bit-true' status ??   I dunno, just seems logical . . . .  either way the result was physically observable.
However if there is another more accurate explaination I would sincerly appreciate the opportunity to better understand.      
No sarcasm intended (just to make clear what text can fail to display).
I have learned a great deal from 'hangin out' here and appreciate the time and patience      

[zevele10]

 rocketsauce

Lisa is right.
I had it just yesterday.
Some cds rip at light-speed. Others go down at 2X , 4X.

Max speed i ever had : X32
Minimum speed          :X2

Of cause ,not in secure mode

[zevele10]

SMatson

First , do not trust that much what you read on the box......

Go there  http://www.dbpoweramp.net/dmc-support-audio-cd.htm
and download the NeroDriveSpeed and the Cdspeed2000.

Run a test on both of your drives - can takes some time- and you will see that ,no way ,you do not have a 24X speed.

After that run NeroDriveSpeed and set it to start  at start-up.

You may get a faster speed.

Now , if you rip under SecureMode , your 7X is quite fair
 
 

 
 

 
 

[SMatson]

Thanks all.

I agree with all of the above.  I get speeds from 2 to 13X.  Now I just relax and wait.

Scott

[modelmaker]

Of the settings available in MC9.0 which is "normal"? Which is the fastest?

1. Digital Large Buffer
2. Digital Small Buffer
3. Digtal Unbuffered
4. Digital Error Correcting
5. Digital Secure (slowest-most accurate)
6. Analog

[zevele10]

I do not have all of it, just :

Normal
Secure
Analog

Normal is the faster
Secure can be  around 50% slower

[KingSparta]

Matt\JohnT Said:

1. Digital Large Buffer

[zevele10]

Where do you see all of it?
I see only 3 options.

[Wile E. One]

Where do you see all of it?
I see only 3 options.

They removed some of the choices from 9.1 a few weeks ago, if I remember correctly.

Modelmaker was listing choices from 9.0 (and earlier builds of 9.1).

[kiwi]

Yeah,

I believe that they thinned out the options, since many were superfluous.

kiwi

[rocketsauce]

I had ripped a cd (high intensity/high-fidelity music with ALOT of dynamic range . . .  Telarc) and without considering that factor decided that since my 40x was ripping at about 2x-4x I'd try it in another drive.  Same results . . .go figure.

Lisa is right.
I had it just yesterday.
Some cds rip at light-speed. Others go down at 2X , 4X.

Max speed i ever had : X32
Minimum speed          :X2

Of cause ,not in secure mode

I would say this has more to do with the disc itself (and any possible manufacturing defects or other anomalies that might be present), not what type of music is on the disc. I have several cds of varying types of music that are visually flawless, do not have copy protection and are still virtually impossible to rip. I even have a two disc dj mix album where, no matter what ripping software I use, disc one rips at about 0.2x and disc two rips anywhere from 10x to 25x. Both discs are high intensity club music.
 

So I go about ripping more disks . . . noticing that there was again high speeds by both drives . . .  disc dependable not device dependable.
Now it may have been the ripping mode . . . . secure mode may take longer to check the rip for 'bit-true' status ??

Yes, ripping in secure mode (as opposed to MC's normal mode or EAC's burst mode) is always slower, because the software re-reads each sector multiple times to be sure it got it right. I have a Plextor 12/10/32a, and in MC or EAC secure mode ripping speed tops out at about 10x. If I use the Plextools ripping software (which uses C2 error correction instead of re-reading sectors), I routinely get ripping speeds of 20x to 35x.

No sarcasm intended (just to make clear what text can fail to display).

No problem.

I'm always reminding myself to try to use more smilies to hopefully make sure people know I'm not trying to be an @$$.

I have learned a great deal from 'hangin out' here and appreciate the time and patience

Me too. I spend far more time lurking than I do posting. Also, if this kind of audio stuff really interests you, I recommend Hydrogen Audio (if you don't know about it already). You can learn a lot just lurking around there.

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/

Rob

[modelmaker]

Kingsparta: thanx for the answer.                            

I timed  the ripping of 6:41min song, (VBR-Highest Quality)                            

Digital Secure : 5:40 min (rip & encode & analyze checked) speed : .6x - 1.2x

Digital Large Buffer : 4:20 (rip & encode & analyze)
                                  speed : .7x - 1.4x
Digital Large Buffer : 5:10 (rip & encode unchecked, analyze checked)  rip speed : up to 10x (20 secs to rip 4:50 to encode)

I find this awful slow. I get why Dig Secure is slow, but the other settings I would think would be faster. Is this just a problem with the 9.0 ripper?

When I use EasyCD to rip, it also rips & encodes (lame)simultaneously, but at 4.9x to 5.9x. Even adding in the time to analyze(MC), EzCD can do almost a whole album in the time it takes MC to do one track.

I would love to use MC exclusively, but I record/rip 5 to 10 albums every day and it would just take too long using the MC ripper. The file converter is also pretty slow compared to others.

Hopefully, 9.1 has improved in this area and will be "finished" soon so I can upgrade. I don't have the time or inclination to be a beta tester at this time. And for everything else that I do with 9.0, it's fantastic!



Listening to: 'He' from 'Wow' by 'Moby Grape' (1968) on Media Center 9.0

system info:

Media Center Registered 9.0.180 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\

Microsoft Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 (Build 2195)
AMD Athlon 1202 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 523 MB, Free - 340 MB

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.81 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 / Shell32.dll: 5.00.3700.6705 / wnaspi32.dll: N/A
Ripping /   Drive F:   Copy mode:ModeSecure   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
  Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: Yes /  Get cover art: No /  Calc replay gain: No /  Copy volume: 32767
  Eject after ripping: Yes /  Play sound after ripping: No  

Burning /  Drive F: TDK      CDRW4800B          Addr: 1:0:0  Speed:48  MaxSpeed:48  Use MJ Engine:Yes
  Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: Yes /  Direct decoding: Yes /  Write CD-Text: Yes
  Use playback settings: Yes /  Normalization: None

[MachineHead]

Hopefully, 9.1 has improved in this area and will be "finished" soon so I can upgrade. I don't have the time or inclination to be a beta tester at this time.

Hate to tell you this, but MC was released quite sometime ago. It is no longer 'beta'.

[modelmaker]

Well, maybe "beta" was the wrong term, I'm not that "computer savy". But the last "build" was Wednesday the 26th of November, the last stable version was a couple or few builds before that one. so, mabe it's out of beta but it still isn't as finished as 9.0. And 9.0 does 90% of what I want.

I've been watching what's been going on with Lisa and others concerning large data bases, I have 14k  files & counting - fast.

I've also been waiting for some parts for the new computer I'm going to build, on which I will install 9.1.

Iam patient.

[MachineHead]

Some would say 9.0 was never finished in the truest sense.

[KingSparta]

is anything really finished?

Listening to: 'Mars Is Heaven' from '1955-05-08' by 'X_Minus_One_1955_-_1958' on Media Center 9.1 (Super Beta Pro Gold Build)

[modelmaker]

You do have a point, I guess. Six months ago I thought this computer would be my final HTPC, boy, was I naive.

[LisaRCT]

is anything really finished?

NO!  Just try getting 'finished' doing laundry . . . .  as soon as you think you are 'finished' there are more clothes in the hamper.  
Unless of course you do laundry naked  

[kiwi]

Unless of course you do laundry naked  

Which is of course the best way to do it.


....errr... on second thought, the last time I walked past a laundrimat, I didn't see anyone whom I wanted to see naked.  Dang... where do all the hot people in all the ad's come from.  I must be going to the wrong places.

kiwi

[JohnT]

Dang... where do all the hot people in all the ad's come from...

Plastic surgeons, Photoshop editing tools, and a different gene pool than the rest of us.  

[tlongacre]

Hmm, interesting topic.

Can anyone explain the following?

I rip all my CDs using MP3 VBR (-alt preset standard).

The best thing I did to improve ripping speed was to build myself a new computer -- went from 500mhz to 2ghz and from 256mb RAM to 512mb RAM. Also went from Win98/SE to WinXP/Home. This made an enormous difference (same CD drive).

Now, I have Plextor that is supposed to be 40x. I generally get rates from 4-8x. Depends on the disc.

I just got a Sony DVD RW drive. The CD part is supposed to be 32x.

It seems to me that over time, the Plextor has gotten slower, but it may just be that the initial WOW factor wore off. But oddly, the Sony rips faster. I tried the Sony once just 'cause I had a CD that wouldn't rip in the Plextor at all (copy protected), it ripped fine in the Sony and it seemed fast, but I didn't believe it ('cause it's only supposed to be 32x!).

Does this make any sense to you guys? Am I getting decent speed?

Who was it that said they use another program 'cause it rips in the background? Can you share with us what that is? I have about everday until Christmas until I'm done ripping my entire colleciton. It has been a long and obssessive project. But I really cannot use the computer for much else at the same time and this is really starting to be a problem. If I don't have to choose between writing required papers or ripping, I'd be a happy camper.

Thanks.

[rocketsauce]

Dang... where do all the hot people in all the ad's come from?

L.A.

(Oh, and I guess NYC too.)

Listening to 'I Love L.A.' by 'Randy Newman' from 'Trouble In Paradise' on Media Center 9

Rob

[MachineHead]

Dang... where do all the hot people in all the ad's come from?

L.A.

(Oh, and I guess NYC too.)

Oh yeah buddy? Try 10th & Nicollet on a nice summer day. Ask J River crew if they have ever decided to take lunch over there. Most of them would return to work slobbering drones....

[kiwi]

tlongacre ~ Are you ripping in Secure mode?  Maybe the Sony is returning fewer errors.  So it doesn't have to reread as much.  That would speed things up.

kiwi

[Sauzee]

tlongacre

The quoted read speed of a drive is typically only reached when reading data. Most drives' 'digital audio extraction' speed is much lower.

It is quite possible to have a slower rated drive which extracts audio more quickly than a so called 'faster' drive.

[red90]

Go here http://www.cdspeed2000.com/

Install CD Speed and you can test you drive maximum read and write speeds.  Max speed is reached at the outside of the disk only.  Ripping speed depends on encoding method.  For instance try encoding 192 CBR and you will see a lot more speed.  VBR is a pig on resources.

[zevele10]

After you run the program ,come back and post.

My bet is that for a 48X you will get a 16 up to 23X

Red90
I do not think you are right.
Rip speed is one thing
Encoding is another one

If you want to know your rip speed ,you have to rip to WAVE ,NOT to any other format.

You speak about riping and encoding  at once
In this case ,of cause the format is of importance.
Because the convertion time differ from one format to another
But the rip speed stays the same , allways

[red90]

My understanding is that "Ripping" means:

- Reading from the disk
- Encoding to desired format
- Saving to Disk

So "ripping" speed depends on the encoding method.

All of my drives show read speeds equal or better than advertised.

Drive                               CR-48XGTE   DV-5800A
Adverstised rate              53X               48X
Transfer Rate - Average   40.53x          36.42x
Transfer Rate - Start        23.02x          20.88x
Transfer Rate - End          53.82x          48.36x

I should mention that you should make a test CD uding the utility within CD Speed before running the tests.

I get around 8 to 12X ripping in 192 CBR and 2 to 5X in VBR Standard.

[zevele10]

Ripping means

Extract data from a redbook cd [ regular cd] to copy  it under an uncompressed format==WAV.

Because WAVE is big ,does not support tags and so on ,you convert it  to any format.

Just uncheck 'rip and encode simultaneously "
You will see that you get indication only about the rip - to WAVE- ,not during the convertion.

You do not need a test disc for Nero drive , only an audio cd

[tlongacre]

Thanks for the cdspeed tip, I'll go get that and try it.

VBR may be a pig on resources, but I care way more about the quality than the time.

Friends keep telling me I should dump my CDs since I am ripping them all to the hard drive and I am just dumbfounded. Don't people know that mp3's are considerably lower quality than CDs? That's one of the reasons I think all the online music services (even iTunes) are such a ripoff. On iTunes, you have to pay the same (or even more) to get an entire CD worth of music and it is LOWER QUALITY. This does not make sense. And, besides that, they restrict where you can listen to it. Ridiculous. So, I continue to buy CDs and line the pockets of the RIAA bigwigs. And if I wanna steal music, I do it the old fashioned way, I copy the CD  

<rant off>