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[RobOK]

In a couple areas of my playlists, suddenly several playlists do not show up.  The full library shows up if i connect from another PC with Media Center, but from Tivo several are missing.  I have been trying to find a pattern, but none yet.  This has been with the last severl 9.1.* releases, am about to try 10.0.* to see if it works.

I do see some of my Smartlists, i see ALL of the default lists, but some subset of my created playlists do not show up.

Does something happen if it hits a "bad" file -- i.e, a non-Mp3 or a file missing from the library or something.  Its like something is happening to make it skip those particular playlists.  



Am currently 9.1.313 going to 10.

[JimH]

Are the file types different?  WMA, MP3, etc.

[RobOK]

99.9 % are MP3 (VBR).  A couple odds and ends are streams.  Dont think any are WMA.

[RobOK]

Okay, some more data points....

I had a list called "Dinner" and it was not showing up on Tivo.  Looked in MC and it was a manual list that i never added songs to.  I added the songs and now it shows up.

Examples of lists that are NOT showing up are:

Smartlist: playlistid==883833631 [Genre]=[Alternative] ~t=360 ~sort=random [Rating]=>3

Smartlist:  playlistid==883833631 [Genre]=[Lounge],[Trance] ~t=240 ~sort=random


An example of one that IS working:

Smartlist: playlistid==883833631 [Genre]=[Eighties] ~t=60 ~sort=random

For both of the ones that are NOT working on Tivo, they do populate with songs on the PC.


Am now on 10.0.010 and same results.

Is there a limit in the number of songs that can be in a Tivo playlist?

Thanks,
Rob.

[RobOK]

The playlist used as the basis of those above is:

-[Genre]=[Comedy],[Speech] [Bitrate]=>120 [Media Type]=[Audio] -playlistid==54331500 -playlistid==869312499

[RobOK]

As a sidebar, unrelated I think to this issue, the way I get Media Server to work is to select it from the menu, have it crash after about 12-15 seconds and say "Media Server has caused an error in JRREADER.DLL, Media server will now close.", then I select Debug (not Close), which creates 4 Dr. Watson windows that i dismiss.  They say "An error occured while loading c:\program files\J river\media center\data -g  The system cannot find the file".  Each of the four have slight variations.

Once I clear those, Media Server is actually running and then it works fine.  Since I run Win ME, i just live with it -- i dont expect you to fix Win ME issues, its a sucky OS.

Another thing i just live with is the MC never finds my CD Burner.  Its a HP SureStore CD-Writer 6020.  I have burned hundreds of CDs, i just always have to do it with a different program.

Thanks for all your hard work,
Rob.




Media Center Registered 10.0.10 -- C:\Program Files\J River\Media Center\

Microsoft Windows Me
Intel Pentium III 863 MHz MMX / Memory: Total - 392 MB, Free - 90 MB
Resource Info: System - 17 %, GDI - 44 %, User - 17 %

Internet Explorer: 6.0.2800.1106 / ComCtl32.dll: 5.81 / Shlwapi.dll: 6.00.2800.1106 / Shell32.dll: 5.50.4134.100 / wnaspi32.dll: 4.57 (1014) , ASPI for Win32 (95/NT) DLL, Copyright © 1989-1998 Adaptec, Inc. / Aspi32.sys: N/A

Ripping /   Drive D:   Copy mode:Normal   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
  Drive F:   Copy mode:Normal   CD Type:Auto   Read speed:Max
  Digital playback: Yes /  Use YADB: Yes /  Get cover art: Yes /  Calc replay gain: Yes /  Copy volume: 32767
  Eject after ripping: Yes /  Play sound after ripping: Yes  Soundfile:   chord.wav

Burning /  No burners found.
  Test mode: No /  Eject after writing: Yes /  Direct decoding: Yes /  Write CD-Text: No
  Use playback settings: No /  Normalization: None

[RobOK]

In a couple areas of my playlists, suddenly several playlists do not show up.  The full library shows up if i connect from another PC with Media Center, but from Tivo several are missing.

Is anyone else having this problem?  If other people could try and test their Tivo with a recent MC build and let me know one way or the other.  Thanks!

[John Gateley]

Hi Rob,

Media Server will remove any playlist/folder that contains no content from the stuff it sends to the TiVo. This explains some of your problems at least. This functionality was accidentally disabled a while ago, and we fixed it recently.

About the crashing, I'll check more when I get in to work monday.

j

[RobOK]

Hi Rob,

Media Server will remove any playlist/folder that contains no content from the stuff it sends to the TiVo. This explains some of your problems at least.

I understand that, so my Dinner folder with nothing in it, rightly went away.  But I have many smart lists that should be fine -- mp3 files in them that should play on Tivo.  Is there some other rule about what gets sent to Tivo?

[John Gateley]

Examples of lists that are NOT showing up are:

Smartlist: playlistid==883833631 [Genre]=[Alternative] ~t=360 ~sort=random [Rating]=>3

Smartlist:  playlistid==883833631 [Genre]=[Lounge],[Trance] ~t=240 ~sort=random


An example of one that IS working:

Smartlist: playlistid==883833631 [Genre]=[Eighties] ~t=60 ~sort=random

Is there a limit in the number of songs that can be in a Tivo playlist?

Yes, I think it's a problem with the number of songs. How many Alternative tracks do you have? And Lounge/Trance? Eighties?

I did a smart list with no rules (1000+ tracks) and it didn't show up on the TiVo, even if I used the limit modifier.

I'll talk to Matt about this tomorrow.

j

[John Gateley]

Another thing i just live with is the MC never finds my CD Burner.  Its a HP SureStore CD-Writer 6020.  I have burned hundreds of CDs, i just always have to do it with a different program.

Try the MC9 forum for this one.

j

[RobOK]

Examples of lists that are NOT showing up are:

Smartlist: playlistid==883833631 [Genre]=[Alternative] ~t=360 ~sort=random [Rating]=>3

Smartlist:  playlistid==883833631 [Genre]=[Lounge],[Trance] ~t=240 ~sort=random


An example of one that IS working:

Smartlist: playlistid==883833631 [Genre]=[Eighties] ~t=60 ~sort=random

Is there a limit in the number of songs that can be in a Tivo playlist?

Yes, I think it's a problem with the number of songs. How many Alternative tracks do you have? And Lounge/Trance? Eighties?

I did a smart list with no rules (1000+ tracks) and it didn't show up on the TiVo, even if I used the limit modifier.

I'll talk to Matt about this tomorrow.

j

Eighties is small at 28 (not my favorite genre!) and Alternative is 600+ with no modifiers.  I think you are on to something!!!

[RobOK]

I did some more testing.

When it is a stand alone list (i.e. not based on another playlist), it seems not to matter the length.

I have a list for all iPod music defined as:

-[Genre]=[Comedy],[Speech] [Media Type]=[Audio] -playlistid==54331500 -playlistid==869312499

and it results in 5209 songs.  That list DOES show up on the Tivo.

The ones where I base it on another list first seems to make it not work when the result set is too large. (200+?).

I hope this helps you debug and get to a solution, in the mean time at least I know I'm not crazy.  At least on this topic.

[John Gateley]

Fixed in the next build of 10.

j

[RobOK]

Thank you for your responsiveness, both in the forum and then in actually getting a fix implemented.  That is why I will continue to support you and your products.

[JimH]

Thanks, Rob.