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[Madcow]

I have tracks on two CDs that I'm unable to copy correctly using MC (or, indeed, any other copying program).  I'm hoping someone here will shed light on how to copy these.

Both the albums are copy protected but by using Single Session Mode on my Plextor CD-ROM I am able to copy the albums (and any other copy-protected albums) without any problem.  I don't think that's anything to do with the problem.

The first album is THINK TANK by Blur.  The first track, Ambulance, is over twelve minutes long on my CD player.  When I put it in my PC, however, the track registers as just over five minutes.  Digging around, again using Plextools, I found that the PC thinks that the first track starts six minutes & 48 seconds into the disc, and every copying program that I've found says the same thing.  I can't find any way to persuade the PC to copy the full twelve minute track - it only ever sees this truncated version.  Can I force the PC to start at the real 0:00 point of the disc rather than the start point it seems to be being told?

The second album is DAS CAPITAL by Luke Haines.  There is a hidden track on this CD which is accessed by putting the CD in a regular player and rewinding four minutes from the start of the disc.  Is there any way of copying this into MC?  It's rather good.  

I suspect the problem in each case is connected - it's something to do with logical vs. real track start times - but if anyone has any idea how I can rip these two tracks it would be much appreciated.  Thanks.  

[gpvillamil]

Try http://www.slysoft.com/en/clonecd.html

It will repair the TOC on a CD to comply with Redbook standards. Then you should be able to rip the tracks as normal.

[xen-uno]

I'm assuming you know about Exact Audio Copy and that you may have it installed. What does EAC show you when you use EAC>Action>Copy Range? You may also want to give CD-DA Extractor a shot.

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[Madcow]

I've got EAC installed and I'm trying it now on the Blur track.  It does allow me to play the track which is helpful.   Copying it is going VERY slow though and it is throwing up a lot of errors.  I'll see what happens at the end.

Thanks for the quick responses.  

[phelt]

I've had luck with some difficult CDs by combining Plextools with EAC. I insert the CD, set Plextools to Single Session, leave Plextools open, open EAC and use copy range. This has let me acquire some "pre-start" hidden tracks and deal with some problematic discs. Maybe worth a try for you, Madcow?

[Madcow]

Phelt, that's exactly what I've done.  It's slow but effective.

I can't quite believe that I have to go through this hassle just to listen to a CD that I've paid good money for in the way that I choose (on my PC and using my iPod) - it really makes me angry.

But it worked.  Thanks, all.

[phelt]

Glad you got it worked out, even if slow.

Don't get me started about anti-consumer "protection" schemes...