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[urlwolf]

I was thinking about what a community can do... I donated $50 to wikipedia.org when they asked for $20000 for new servers. It was on slashdot, they got all of it in the first 24 hours.

I have no idea if this would help (buying a new server) or how many people we are here at Interact. Just a proposal.

-urlWolf

[kiwi]

Just out of curiosity, what would it help with?  I haven't found YADB to be slow.   But if it would help, I'd donate... or buy another MC license.

Or, people could buy a license and give it to a friend, not only are you helping out, but you're spreading the word as well.

kiwi

[jehrico76]

Why donate money towards YADB, when CDDB is supremely superior?  I love most of the things about MC, in my short time using it, other than what YADB lacks.  Now, if they were going to start storing lyrics or something like that so you could automatically download some extra information like that, then I probably would.  But no way I would just to enhance the specs/bandwidth/speed of what they have now.

[KingSparta]

when CDDB is supremely superior?

Lets say it is, it also costs more (like $60,000)

This subject really is not upto debate

[urlwolf]

KingSparta,

It seems that you have locked the thread:
are FreeDB and YADB still synchronized?

Arguing that I should use the other thread that I opened. I guess you meant this one:
why not combining YADB and freeDB?

But that one is locked too. So the only other thread that I can think of is this poll, and it is not exactly the same topic. You are free to use your admin privileges any way you want, but in this case I think it was a mistake to close the synch thread.

[KingSparta]

>> are FreeDB and YADB still synchronized?
No

Is it ever going to be?, I doubt it

>> But that one is locked too.
If you keep opening one about this same subject they will also.

this is not a debatable subject

[urlwolf]

OK CDDB = not a debatable subject. Very expensive
I wasn't talking about CDDB though.

So What's not a debatable subject? I really need to know. If FreeDB is actually very different from YADB, it might be worth to write a pluging that searches FreeDB too.

I haven't been in this forum long enough to know if YADB is a polemic topic. I'm just trying to get the best possible performance when tagging my ripped CDs.

[KingSparta]

Add FreeDB to the list.

[JimH]

urlwolf,
We did start with the freedb database, but volunteers and staff at JRiver have  spent a lot of time cleaning it up.  There may be more entries, but there is also a lot more bad data.

Jim

[urlwolf]

Thanks Jim,

Can you confirm/disconfirm if a new server would help reducing the time that it takes for YADB to return a "No matches found?"

Cheers,
-urlWolf

[KingSparta]

Thanks Jim,

Can you confirm/disconfirm if a new server would help reducing the time that it takes for YADB to return a "No matches found?"

Cheers,
-urlWolf

How long does it take?

It Only Took Me 3 Seconds.

Besides I Don't think they want to invest in another $30,000 Server

[urlwolf]

I grabbed 5 random CDs (kind of difficult: 3 classical, 2 spanish pop).
For me it took (seconds):
negative:
9, 18,

Positive:
11, 2, 10

I don't know if internet connection has anything to do with it. I'm using an university LAN.

[KingSparta]

I just tested 10 Cd's and all were around 3 seconds

This is using a Cable modem

Since Everyone at your Dorm is currently downloading and streaming music it may take longer.

[JimH]

I grabbed 5 random CDs (kind of difficult: 3 classical, 2 spanish pop).
For me it took (seconds):
negative:
9, 18,

Positive:
11, 2, 10

I don't know if internet connection has anything to do with it. I'm using an university LAN.

Those times are all very decent, given what is going on to make it happen.

The average web page takes 5 to 10 seconds to display.

In the case of YADB, we're searching a database that contains more than 800,000 CD's.  If that takes 5 seconds, is that unreasonable?

Faster hardware might shave two seconds off the times.

[urlwolf]

Since Everyone at your Dorm is currently downloading and streaming music it may take longer.

 

This is not a dorm, but that was a good guess. Actually, this connection can move 1Gb in a few minutes, I just did that a while ago. The worst case scenario for a LAN has to be still better than a modem connection. There is definitely a difference between your speed and mine, maybe I'm behind a firewall.

However, my guess is that connection speed is not that determinant. There is only two exchanges, client -> server and server -> client. The bottleneck must be the SQL query on the server. The stats in http://www.yadb.com/stats.html don't give much information about how many queries are processed per minute on average.
Again, this is just my guess.

I'll try to post a traceroute from my location to the server.

How many users are we?

[urlwolf]

I think it's interesting that we're proably talking about just 2 or 3 seconds difference.

Is it important?

Well, yes. On average, it's more like 10-12 seconds. If you get a negative, you have to go and try freeDB, then CDDB. If evertything fails, then you finally decide that you have to type the info. You may also decide that you don't care about that cd. I have hundreds of CDs and just started, so for me it makes a difference. But you are right, for ocassional use, it's a non-issue.

[urlwolf]

Those times are all very decent, given what is going on to make it happen.

The average web page takes 5 to 10 seconds to display.

In the case of YADB, we're searching a database that contains more than 800,000 CD's.  If that takes 5 seconds, is that unreasonable?

Faster hardware might shave two seconds off the times.

Well, 800,000 entries is not particularly big for an online DB. And I find interesting that CDDB and freeDB can search a lot more entries in a lot less time. And you can always look at google or Amazon, handling several orders of magnitude larger numbers in less than a blink.

If you (who are probably one of a few with enough data to make an informed decision) think that better hardware will gain only 2 sec, I bet there is plenty of optimization possible in the way the database works. Sure a more solvable problem than the ones that make the news.

[KingSparta]

I bet there is plenty of optimization possible in the way the database works.

Have you ever seen FreeDB?

#FILENAME=0a005502
# xmcd
#
# Track frame offsets:
#   150
#   600
#
# Disc length: 87 seconds
#
# Revision: 0
# Processed by: cddbd v1.4PL0 Copyright (c) Steve Scherf et al.
# Submitted via: dBpowerAMP V4.0
#
DISCID=0a005502
DTITLE=18 / DreamON
DYEAR=
DGENRE=Game
TTITLE0=DATA
TTITLE1=Game
EXTD=
EXTT0=
EXTT1=
PLAYORDER=
#FILENAME=0a00fc02
# xmcd
#
# Track frame offsets:
#   150
#   644
#
# Disc length: 254 seconds
#
# Revision: 4
# Processed by: cddbd v1.4PL0 Copyright (c) Steve Scherf et al.
# Submitted via: CDmax 1.8
#
DISCID=0a00fc02
DTITLE=Trzecia Godzina Dnia / Coolenda
DYEAR=2001
DGENRE=Soundtrack
TTITLE0=Intro
TTITLE1=Coolenda
EXTD=
EXTT0=
EXTT1=
PLAYORDER=
#FILENAME=0a012f02
# xmcd CD database file
#
# Track frame offsets:
#   150
#   11468
#
# Disc length: 305 seconds
#
# Revision: 0
# Processed by: cddbd v1.4PL0 Copyright (c) Steve Scherf et al.
# Submitted via: CD2WAV32(EN) R3.19
#
DISCID=0a012f02
DTITLE=miki / DAY DREAM ( by maple_Hotel ergriffen )
DYEAR=
DGENRE=
TTITLE0=DAY DREAM(Original)
TTITLE1=DAY DREAM(Fast Take)
EXTD=
EXTT0=
EXTT1=
PLAYORDER=
#FILENAME=0a019602
# xmcd
#
# Track frame offsets:
#        150
#        15458
#
# Disc length: 408 seconds
#
# Revision: 1
# Processed by: cddbd v1.4PL0 Copyright (c) Steve Scherf et al.
# Submitted via: ExactAudioCopy v0.90b4
#
DISCID=0a019602
DTITLE=K3 / De 3 Biggetjes (CD Single)
DYEAR=2003
DGENRE=National Folk
TTITLE0=De 3 Biggetjes
TTITLE1=De 3 Biggetjes (Instrumentaal)
EXTD=
EXTT0=
EXTT1=
PLAYORDER=

[JimH]

I would guess that your problem is more one of pure Internet access time.

[John Gateley]

Slowdowns are often due to fuzzy matching. Fuzzy matches cannot be done efficiently in the database, since they are inexact. We do pretty well on speed considering. I'd love to make it perfect, but there are so many things I'd love to make perfect too....

j

[urlwolf]

Slowdowns are often due to fuzzy matching. Fuzzy matches cannot be done efficiently in the database, since they are inexact. We do pretty well on speed considering. I'd love to make it perfect, but there are so many things I'd love to make perfect too....

j

Thanks John.
Still that doesn't explain why king and I get different times... he is on a modem connection and I'm on a LAN, so JimH's hypotesis seems difficult to me. And I guess everyone with a database of this kind does fuzzy matching, right?

Anyway, I don't want to make a big deal out of it; and  there is little I can do to contribute to the solve the problem.

Cheers,
-urlWolf
 

[lpr]

So, is freedb.org out of the question?

Thanks for your time.
lpr

[JimH]

So, is freedb.org out of the question?

Yes.

[kiwi]

Is the interface for getting CD information something that people could write plug-in's for?  Also, will YADB have support for getting information about DVDs?

kiwi

[jleerigby]

I rip with MC and use Psychic MP3 for tagging where YADB doesn't come up trumps (quite often!). Psychic MP3 uses freedb.org.  It's very very fast and rarely fails to find an album.

[Sir Alan]

I find the response time of YADB is quite satisfactory - when it does respond.  I frequently (= most days) find that the server sometimes does not respond at all, possibl for half an hour or so at a time, so that the request eventually times out.

In my experience, most albums are in the DB, I have only added two myself recently, but many of the entries contain garbage - artist and track names reversed, numerous typos, etc.  Is there any way of correcting these without adding a whole new entry?  I do take care when entering data, but I can make typos too, and it's frustrating to be unable to correct something I have just posted.  The error is always invisible until the Send button has been pressed.  

I was interested to see that several entries which I know I added to CDDB via MMJB over a year ago are now in YADB.

[John Gateley]

I find the response time of YADB is quite satisfactory - when it does respond.  I frequently (= most days) find that the server sometimes does not respond at all, possibl for half an hour or so at a time, so that the request eventually times out.

The next time this happens, please note your IP address and the time and post a message here. This shouldn't happen.

IP address can be done by starting a DOS window and doing IP config here.
Ooops: I mean ipconfig [edited]

If you get a 10.*.*.* address or a 192.168.*.* (I think), I'll need a little more info.

j

[LonWar]

I find the response time of YADB is quite satisfactory - when it does respond.  I frequently (= most days) find that the server sometimes does not respond at all, possibl for half an hour or so at a time, so that the request eventually times out.

In my experience, most albums are in the DB, I have only added two myself recently, but many of the entries contain garbage - artist and track names reversed, numerous typos, etc.  Is there any way of correcting these without adding a whole new entry?  I do take care when entering data, but I can make typos too, and it's frustrating to be unable to correct something I have just posted.  The error is always invisible until the Send button has been pressed.  

I was interested to see that several entries which I know I added to CDDB via MMJB over a year ago are now in YADB.

Are you using any virtual drive software?

[bedessy]

No cause most of the Cd I have aren't on the internet anyway . Here's what I would donate $10 for is a burner that can read a cd with cd text that already imprinted on the cd. I make mix cd's if I make it with a different software with the cd info already on it and, turn that program off turn on mc since my drive is cd text ready ,and I use the same drive to put it there I think the drive should be able to read it nomatter what software you use . So I gota $10 donatation for who ever can do that for a cd drive, That's in my case  cause I rarely buy Cd's any more All are Cd store's have closed for business because of download from the internet from p2p sites. I think walmart is the only place left and the mall but they charge almost 15 to 20 dollar's for one and people are not going to pay that any more. I think I'm getting off the subject here . my answer is no.