Topic: mp4 videos:won't play in MC10 (Read 4877 times)

clout · « **on:** September 01, 2004, 12:34:41 am »

I have quite a few videos encoded with Nero Recode v2.1 that have an extension of .mp4.
When I try to play them in MC10,161 I get the following error message:
Quicktime warning:
xxxx.mp4 is encoded using a MPEG-4 profile that Quick Time currently doesn't support.
MC10 locks up forcing a reboot to continue.
These files play perfectly in WinAmp 5 and WMP(classic).
Anyone have any ideas?

shAf · « **Reply #1 on:** September 23, 2004, 12:15:43 pm »

I'd like to bump this thread because this MPEG-4 encoded format is the best I've seen for creating video CDs (... even if encoding with Nero Digital should also imply playback is available via Nero Showtime.). My thinking was that it was MC's implimentation of Quicktime ... but surely, if Winamp can do it ...

J.R. ... what are the issues?

tia

EDIT: Just thought I'd add a review of this encoder:
http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/131/1

SteveG · « **Reply #2 on:** September 23, 2004, 02:28:06 pm »

What happens when you play these files directly in Quick Time?

Steve

shAf · « **Reply #3 on:** September 23, 2004, 03:00:35 pm »

Quote from: SteveG on September 23, 2004, 02:28:06 pm

What happens when you play these files directly in Quick Time?
[...]

Quicktime alternative says cannot render the file ...

Matt · « **Reply #4 on:** September 23, 2004, 03:02:44 pm »

Remove them from the library, change the extension to .mpg, and reimport.

Will MC play them then?

JimH · « **Reply #5 on:** September 23, 2004, 03:16:29 pm »

Try updating Quicktime.

shAf · « **Reply #6 on:** September 24, 2004, 08:09:13 am »

Quote from: JimH on September 23, 2004, 03:16:29 pm

Try updating Quicktime.

I did imagine quicktime alternative may not have been adequate ... and Apple's Quicktime 6.5.1 does imply MPEG-4 compatibility. However, before I install Apple's bloatware, I wonder if there is a method for adding the freeware version of 3ivx to MC10's (or MC11) recognition of available codecs(?)

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/3ivx.htm

Adding or installing individual codecs would seem a better generic way of adding future functionality. Or ... could individual codecs be made available from the JR download area as plugins?

Clout: Did upgrading Apple's Quicktime work for you??

tia

Matt · « **Reply #7 on:** September 24, 2004, 09:02:43 am »

Please try my suggestion listed above, as I think it may work.

shAf · « **Reply #8 on:** September 24, 2004, 11:43:41 am »

Quote from: Matt on September 24, 2004, 09:02:43 am

Please try my suggestion listed above, as I think it may work.

It did not. Leastwise, I renamed it and ...

(1) tried to play it (open media file) ... and MC10 simply began playing a track in previous 'playing now'. MC gave me no messages ...

(2) Tried to import the renamed file, and MC implied it found '0' files (however scanned '1')

shAf

Matt · « **Reply #9 on:** September 24, 2004, 01:10:19 pm »

Set MC to use the Windows Media engine for video playback.

Then there should really be no way that WMP could play it but not MC. (assuming you're using the .mpg extension)

shAf · « **Reply #10 on:** September 24, 2004, 03:39:11 pm »

Quote from: Matt on September 24, 2004, 01:10:19 pm

Set MC to use the Windows Media engine for video playback.
[...]

Found the switch ... but same as before (... wondering if Clout is experiencing the same(?) ...)

jsosow · « **Reply #11 on:** September 24, 2004, 07:29:00 pm »

I posted this problem awhile back. I have the same problem. Mp4 files are a Nero specific file. As far as I know it has nothing to do with quicktime. It is a form of Divx (mpeg4) but has been modified by Nero to work only with the Nero player and is no longer a true mpeg4 file.

Would like MC to play them though. Have a few from playing around.

jankm · « **Reply #12 on:** September 26, 2004, 07:13:07 pm »

I had some .mp4 files. I could only get them to play in RealPlayer if I remember correctly.

Wolfsrudel · « **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2004, 12:21:22 pm »

hi

i also have plenty nero mp4 videos. they play with wmp10 or meedio + ffdshow without problems.
playing them with vlc (then no need for ffdshow) is also no problem.

but i can´t import them into mc10.173, neither can i play them with mc10. i renamed them to .mpg an selected "use wmp engine" - no change.

in order to build a video-library, the ability to import & play nero mp4 with mc10 is rather crucial for my.
is there any solution in sight?

tia
chris

Wolfsrudel · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2004, 08:22:12 am »

uh, i´d really like to see a solution or at least an answer since my trialtime is running out.

tia
chris

JimH · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2004, 08:43:24 am »

Give MC11 a trial. This could be a problem with different Windows Media Player versions.

Wolfsrudel · « **Reply #16 on:** October 28, 2004, 06:20:53 pm »

hi jim,

i gave mc11 a try. no luck aswell. mc11 ignores my mp4 (also the renamed mp4 with the .mpg ext.).

i can´t understand why. even wmp10 plays them - so why is that such a problem. :-(

please help.

tia
chris

SteveG · « **Reply #17 on:** October 29, 2004, 03:04:09 pm »

chris,

Any possibility of getting one of these files to us to test?

steve @ jriver.com

Wolfsrudel · « **Reply #18 on:** October 30, 2004, 08:50:00 am »

sure. that should be no problem.

i´ll just encode a small video and mail it to you.

chris

edit: the mail is on its way...

SteveG · « **Reply #19 on:** November 01, 2004, 10:51:53 am »

chris,

Thanks for the file. I cannot play the file in WMP or in Quicktime which explains our inability to import it. WMP says:

Quote

Windows Media Player cannot play the file. The file is either corrupt or the Player does not support the format you are trying to play.

Quicktime says:

Quote

File contains MPEG-4 technologies which Quick Time currently does not support.

Steve

Wolfsrudel · « **Reply #20 on:** November 01, 2004, 11:51:35 am »

steve,

that´s correct.
qt isn´t able to play nero mp4 files - no matter what you do. (as far as i know)

but with wmp9/10 -> that depends on the filters/codecs you have installed. with ffdshow installed, wmp10 plays all mp4 files without an error.

with mc10/11 -> they don´t seem to care which filters i have installed. on import mc looks if qt can play it - if not = error = no import.

why doesn´t mc try to use the installed filters? imho who cares for qt on a xp-box?

zp i.e. has no problems with mp4 after installing the needed filters.

as i said: vlc, zp and wmp work fine. only mc (which is the most imprtant one) won't work.

i also have an 3ivx-encoded-file. 3ivx is not installed right now - all apps still play that file - mc throws out an "codec not installed" error. :-(

i would be very glad, if you could "boost" mc11s video-module a little to come near to the quality of the audio-part.

if i can be of any help (testing) - please just ask...

thanks
chris

SteveG · « **Reply #21 on:** November 01, 2004, 04:04:32 pm »

chris,

Try renaming the file extension to mpg and reimport it into MC. After you do this, MC will use WMP to play the file (not Quicktime) and if it plays in WMP, then it should also play in MC. Unless you rename the file, MC will try to use Quicktime to play the file which we know fails.

Steve

Wolfsrudel · « **Reply #22 on:** November 02, 2004, 05:17:39 am »

well steve,

changing the extention didn´t make it. still no go. nero seems to be quite a problem. (i would be nice if mc could start an external player like vlc for these files)

i guess i have to live with that. :-(

thanks
chris

shAf · « **Reply #23 on:** November 02, 2004, 08:23:38 am »

Quote from: Wolfsrudel on November 02, 2004, 05:17:39 am

... nero seems to be quite a problem. ...

If ffdshow is capable, it would seem MC would also be able to adapt(?)

SteveG · « **Reply #24 on:** November 02, 2004, 09:34:45 am »

chris,

For what its worth, I installed ffdshow and still cannot play the file you sent in WMP with either the mp4 or mpg extenstion.

Steve

Wolfsrudel · « **Reply #25 on:** November 03, 2004, 04:41:26 am »

steve,

with ffdshow you should get video. with coreaac you get the sound.
that what wmp10 tells me, when i look at it´s setting with that movie.

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