Topic: MJ doesn't sort right iso-latin texts (Read 3120 times)

michel · « **on:** October 19, 2002, 09:24:56 am »

For example MJ put Mélusine after Muse instead of after Mercury Rev.

KingSparta · « **Reply #1 on:** October 19, 2002, 10:02:36 am »

it may be because "é" has a higher ascii value than "u"

Ascii for "u" is 117
Ascii for "é" is 130

when doing a sort this would be correct due to the value of the chr

michel · « **Reply #2 on:** October 19, 2002, 10:18:29 am »

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it may be because "é" has a higher ascii value than "u"

I know that (I am working with computers since 30 years) but anyway it is a bug.

KingSparta · « **Reply #3 on:** October 19, 2002, 10:22:55 am »

Well i think that depends on how they are sorting.

you may want to add it to the bug thread, but i don't think there will be much responce to a fix, i could be wrong.

michel · « **Reply #4 on:** October 19, 2002, 10:35:17 am »

I don't know but I remember JimH said a few months ago that he want to support international customers and I can say they have been very responsive until now about others "iso-latin linked" problems.

NB. I tried with MS Excel: it sorts right iso-latin texts.

KingSparta · « **Reply #5 on:** October 19, 2002, 10:42:55 am »

>> I tried with MS Excel: it sorts right iso-latin texts
really, i wonder if MS are creating a mask to sort in order they wish and not just by the ascii.

I guess it could also have someting to do with the grid list they are working with.

JimH · « **Reply #6 on:** October 19, 2002, 11:22:06 am »

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I don't know but I remember JimH said a few months ago that he want to support international customers and I can say they have been very responsive until now about others "iso-latin linked" problems.

NB. I tried with MS Excel: it sorts right iso-latin texts.

Michel,
You are correct. We would like it to be perfect. Thanks for reporting this.

Jim

zevele10 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 19, 2002, 11:31:40 am »

King,how can you write "é" with an english keyboard?

zevele10 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 19, 2002, 11:34:01 am »

When working on YADB,many times i see that e wih', or ' like d'amour gives kind of #@^^^.
When i try to correct it,most of the time i cannot

KingSparta · « **Reply #9 on:** October 19, 2002, 11:36:53 am »

>> King,how can you write "é" with an english
>> keyboard?
no clue

other than cut and paste

RhinoBanga · « **Reply #10 on:** October 19, 2002, 12:57:09 pm »

Run charmap (start/run/charmap) and it will tell you.

Usually it's holding down ALT and type in 0 followed by the 3 digit character code on the numeric keypad ... but the code for a character can be different depending on what font you're using.

zevele10 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 19, 2002, 01:03:54 pm »

You mean that when i send a email to France,to get an ' on e ,i have to do all you say?

In this case they would get e without ' until the end of the world.And as since years!

zevele10 · « **Reply #12 on:** October 19, 2002, 01:07:34 pm »

Going to internet coffee around the world:

In UK they have the english pound key where the @ is
In Germany with all the german letters all around,you are just lost.
In France i do not remember.

I have an US\hebrew letters.

John Gateley · « **Reply #13 on:** October 19, 2002, 04:39:57 pm »

Hi Michel,

Yes, this is a bug, and I'll look into it.
Possibly dumb questions: what charset are you using? 8859-1, 8859-2?
Or is ISO-Latin the name?

KingSparta: most sorting/comparison functions now use an ordering based on the charset, rather than ASCII. I don't know the details for windows, but on Unix, it uses your LANG (and a couple of others) environment variables to customize the ordering to make sense.

Zevele: I noticed quite a few CDs on YADB where the apostrophe (the normal ascii apostrophe with a numeric value < 128) was replaced with an accent (acute? sorry, don't use them enough to remember which one goes forward) over a space - an accent not over a character. Is this what you mean? I think I fixed most of them, but there maybe some left.

j

KingSparta · « **Reply #14 on:** October 19, 2002, 04:46:01 pm »

well now i wonder if others are out of order.

John Gateley · « **Reply #15 on:** October 19, 2002, 04:51:03 pm »

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well now i wonder if others are out of order.

We're all out of order at some time or another...

j

KingSparta · « **Reply #16 on:** October 19, 2002, 04:58:35 pm »

very true

Charlemagne 8 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 19, 2002, 06:00:38 pm »

ééé

It's easy. While holding down ALT, type 130. When you release ALT, there it is. ASCII codes. Don't leave home without them.
I have to use them at work when I type a property description.

ALT 241 = ± (plus/minus a.k.a. "more or less")
ALT 248 = ° (degree symbol)
ALT 172 = ¼
ALT 171 = ½

You don't need to know all of them. Just memorize the ones that you would use the most.
You can cut and paste from the character map but that's a PIA. But you CAN look up the ASCII code for your font there.

CVIII

michel · « **Reply #18 on:** October 19, 2002, 10:55:51 pm »

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Possibly dumb questions: what charset are you using? 8859-1, 8859-2? Or is ISO-Latin the name?

The right name seems ISO 8859-1. It used to type all major (West) European languages and it seems it is also the preferred encoding on the Internet.

Please check this reference site:

www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/internationalization/iso-8859-1-charset.html

bug ? I wrote...html but I get ...ht ml

zevele10 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 20, 2002, 04:24:58 am »

John

I do not remember.Next time i find one ,i will send it to you

But the problem was like it:
Noir De[with ']sir L'attente gives Noir D#@sir L@#ttente.
If i try to correct to :Noir Desir[no' on the e] L 'attente,most of the time my correction is not uploaded

There is also such problems with spanish and portuguese when there is a ~ on n or m like in ninos

KarolusVIII
concerning e with ',if i want to tell my father about summer,i have to do e+alt+130-- t --e+alt+130,to get
ete in french with ' on each e.
Since years they are use to get french without accent so ..........

John Gateley · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:02:11 am »

testing:

http://www.jriver.com/index.html

j

John Gateley · « **Reply #21 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:06:00 am »

Michel - it is probably a problem with your configuration.
Check settings->control panel->Regional and Language Options
Click on the language tab and make sure your language is there.

j

michel · « **Reply #22 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:21:11 am »

I just checked: on my laptop I have Regional and Language Options set to "French". I am using a french version of windows 2000 and MJ9.

=> no problem of sorting

On my deskstop I have also Regional and Language Options set to "French" but I am using an english version of windows 2000 and MJ8.

=> sorting problem

NoCodeUK · « **Reply #23 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:31:02 am »

Just to clarify about UK keyboards. We do not have a £ sign instead of the @. In fact we have a " sign instead of @ (which I believe is shift 2 on a US keyboard) and our @ is in place of " on a US keyb. Our £ sign is shift 3 which is I don't know what on US and we have a $ sign on shift 4. We also have a € sign on the 4 key although I don't know how to get that without using character map.

There that should have cleared everything up

Adam

John Gateley · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:35:37 am »

click on the languages tab, then on details.

It probably says English.

Add your language here and switch to it.

j

michel · « **Reply #25 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:49:46 am »

I will check (I am at the office now) in a couple of hours and I'll say you. But I am absolutely almost sure (!) it is in French.

zevele10 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:53:37 am »

Michel
This can be the problem.

If i run Windows english\hebrew,from time to time Windows changes the setting.
Even if i am on english,encoding goes to hebrew and i get hebrew letters and strange %^>>> in the text.
Speaking of it,i realise now that i almost not have this problem on english texts ,but a lot on french ones.
Can be when there is an accent or apostrophe.

Of cause ,this does not work like your Windows:i have to set Windows to hebrew or to english and cap lock to type in hebrew.

But the fact is that Windows changes alone the encoding setting from time to time

NeoCodeUK

It is one year since i used a computer in London.So i do not remember exatly.
But i do remember that once i asked "where is the @?'

It was not ,like on US keyboard the second shift.

Anyway what i was meaning is that you use your computer not realising that not everyone use the same letters and at the same place.

Not finding the @ at second shift in England was,at first, a surprise for me

NoCodeUK · « **Reply #27 on:** October 21, 2002, 06:58:23 am »

As for me when my keyboard got set as US and I couldn't get any quotation marks!!

Adam

michel · « **Reply #28 on:** October 21, 2002, 08:03:11 am »

Jim,

I confirm: my locales setting is French.

So the problem comes from MJ8 or/and from the fact I am using an english version of Windows 2000.

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