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[ajfaull]

I am using Media Center to create a CD Image and CUE files in Monkey's Audio format.  I hope to use Monkey's MakeAPL utility so that I can have Media Center convert the files to MP3 when transfering them to my Samsung YH-820 MP3 player.

However, I am having problems having MakeAPL use the CUE sheets generated by Media Center.  If I make the APE and CUE files in Exact Audio Copy, MakeAPL works fine.  In MC11, it does not generate the apl files. 

Anyone have any ideas?


Thanks in advance
Andy

[Alex B]

It seems that the CUE files made by MC are not compatible with MakeAPL. As a test I ripped quickly a short CD single.

Cue by MC:

Code: [Select]

TITLE "Domino Dancing (Single)"
PERFORMER "Pet Shop Boys"
FILE "D:\Rip\Pet Shop Boys\Domino Dancing (Single)\Pet Shop Boys - Domino Dancing (Single).ape"
  TRACK 1 AUDIO
    PERFORMER "Pet Shop Boys"
    TITLE "Domino Dancing (Disco Mix)"
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 2 AUDIO
    PERFORMER "Pet Shop Boys"
    TITLE "Don Juan (Disco Mix)"
    INDEX 01 07:43:30
  TRACK 3 AUDIO
    PERFORMER "Pet Shop Boys"
    TITLE "Domino Dancing (Alternative Mix)"
    INDEX 01 15:18:22

Cue by EAC:

Code: [Select]

PERFORMER "Pet Shop Boys"
TITLE "Domino Dancing (Single)"
FILE "Pet Shop Boys - Domino Dancing (Single).ape" WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "Domino Dancing (Disco Mix)"
    PERFORMER "Pet Shop Boys"
    INDEX 00 00:00:00
    INDEX 01 00:00:33
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    TITLE "Don Juan (Disco Mix)"
    PERFORMER "Pet Shop Boys"
    INDEX 00 07:43:30
    INDEX 01 07:43:63
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    TITLE "Domino Dancing (Alternative Mix)"
    PERFORMER "Pet Shop Boys"
    INDEX 00 15:17:63
    INDEX 01 15:18:55
MakeAPL needs the leading zeros in the track numbers. After adding them manually it understands the cues.

However, there are other issues too:

- MC adds unnecessarily the folder path to the cue file. So the filename is valid only in the same folder.

- MC does not detect the pregaps so the audio file lenghts are also different:

MC ripped file:  19:46.133   (min:sec)
EAC ripped file:  19:46:573

The difference is 0.44 s = 33 frames, which is exactly the length of the first precap (an audio CD has 75 frames per second).

I will try later how MakeAPL handles the pregaps.

[Alex B]

I tested the MakeAPL behavior. It seems that it does not matter if the CUE file is made with EAC or MC (after fixing the leading zeros). MakeAPL makes identical APL files in both cases.

If the CUE file contains pregaps MakeAPL ignores the first pregap and adds the intermediate pregaps to the track ends like all standard rippers do when CDs are ripped to separate audio track files.

If the CD contains audio data in the first pregap that data is lost when the CD is ripped with MC or most other programs. AFAIK EAC in the single file mode is the only exception. Normally that area is not used for audio data, but the artists and audio engineers play tricks sometimes. The only way to hear such a hidden track with a standard stand-alone CD player is to rewind past the start point of the first track.

[Alex B]

[bob]

I believe changes to the cue files are in the queue (couldn't resist that)

I've been playing with cue files/single mp3 on a hardware player (PJB-100) that can handle them (just out of curiousity, anyone know of other players that can handle them? I've gotten nowhere searching online). It seems like a good solution to handle live content or classical discs with dozens of "tracks"

[hit_ny]

I believe changes to the cue files are in the queue (couldn't resist that)

OOh !! an insider rumour. Let's just hope its for v12.

I've been playing with cue files/single mp3 on a hardware player (PJB-100) that can handle them (just out of curiousity, anyone know of other players that can handle them? I've gotten nowhere searching online). It seems like a good solution to handle live content or classical discs with dozens of "tracks"

Well you just discovered the first & only portable player that can do so.

I'm waiting for Apple to discover them, but i think the biggest problem with playing big files is the battery consumption will increase significantly. Kind of, if you play large WAV file vs smaller mp3s. I'm not entirely sure if thats the real reason tho.

On another note a friend mentioned this was possible with ipodlinux, but i can't find any docs to back that.

[JohnT]

Last night's build (109) has a couple changes to MC's cue file format:
- Filename is now just a simple filename, no path
- TRACK numbers begin with a zero "01"