Topic: Somewhat OT -- Creative and Evil Patent-Mongering (Read 3859 times)

glynor · « **on:** December 09, 2005, 02:50:42 pm »

Has anyone seen this story about Creative going after Apple for the iPod interface? Something really needs to be done about the sorry state of the Patent (and Copyright) systems... For now, it's too bad Creative can't take a hint from their company's name and actually develop some innovative products, instead of using a Patent Club (TM) to beat on their rivals.

This type of thing makes me far less likely to purchase any new Creative products (such as the new X-Fi cards), but I'm quite concerned about these issues. Do others feel the same when making purchase decisions?

JimH · « **Reply #1 on:** December 09, 2005, 03:26:25 pm »

My understanding was that Apple claimed they owned the scroll wheel and threatened to sue Creative if they used it. Apple also threatened to sue Real for figuring out how to write "Fairplay" protected files to the iPod.

I agree that patents have become ridiculous.

lOth · « **Reply #2 on:** December 09, 2005, 03:34:59 pm »

This is plagiarism:

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I agree that patents have become ridiculous

I'm the actual original author of that sentence.

JimH · « **Reply #3 on:** December 09, 2005, 03:37:01 pm »

You make an excellent point.

lOth · « **Reply #4 on:** December 09, 2005, 03:42:24 pm »

Quote

You make an excellent point.

Now, this one is from Steven Colbert's "Formidable opponent".

OK, OK, I'll stop...

JimH · « **Reply #5 on:** December 09, 2005, 03:55:02 pm »

Do you feel like stopping?

lOth · « **Reply #6 on:** December 09, 2005, 04:00:50 pm »

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Do you feel like stopping?

hmm... I don't know who this one's from.

JimH · « **Reply #7 on:** December 09, 2005, 04:30:27 pm »

In the prehistoric days of computing, there was a simple game, called Liza (I think). The game was a fake psychiatrist. It would say

"How are you?"

If you said, "Fine.", it would say:

"Really?"

You'd say, "Well, yes.", it would say:

"Are you telling me the truth? How do you really feel?"

or

"You seem a little blue today."

and so on.

It was pretty erie what it would come back with sometimes. You really felt like she knew things about you that you wouldn't want her to tell anyone.

lOth · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2005, 04:34:44 pm »

I understand. What about you?

JimH · « **Reply #9 on:** December 09, 2005, 04:39:03 pm »

I'm fine, really.

lOth · « **Reply #10 on:** December 09, 2005, 04:43:22 pm »

What I like about you, JRiver people, is that even when you give us a build with not much of a bug to keep us busy, you keep us entertained anyway.

JimH · « **Reply #11 on:** December 09, 2005, 04:49:57 pm »

Ditto for our friends out there. Thanks!

jgreen · « **Reply #12 on:** December 09, 2005, 05:07:31 pm »

JimH, you and IOth might want to consider getting a room together. There are issues that need to be worked out here.

lOth · « **Reply #13 on:** December 09, 2005, 05:11:07 pm »

Issues? hmm... You seem a little blue today.

jgreen · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2005, 05:16:42 pm »

Not my intent. It's just that Iwas seeing such a mutual admiration/oddity society here.

JimH · « **Reply #15 on:** December 09, 2005, 05:22:27 pm »

Quote from: jgreen on December 09, 2005, 05:16:42 pm

Not my intent. It's just that Iwas seeing such a mutual admiration/oddity society here.

So how do you feel about it?

JaredH · « **Reply #16 on:** December 09, 2005, 05:24:54 pm »

To rope and wrangle this topic back on track for a minute:

---------O

I personally think Creative's products rival Apple's anyday. Sound quality being the biggest of their strengths.

However I do feel that patents have gotten out of hand as well

jgreen · « **Reply #17 on:** December 09, 2005, 05:30:51 pm »

1. Okay, I get it (finally). JimH and IOth, I give up. I'm better off harassing Sparta or the scandinavians, who are always good for a chuckle. You guys are just too quick for me!

2. Creative products (the original post). I use them. The highest-quality "consumer" hardware for audio, IMO. (EMU, etc are "prosumer, IMO).

The drawback is that the CEO Sim-Wong Hoo, has real difficulty with sticking to facts. Witness the class-action settlement for over-promising on the specs, etc etc.

pank2002 · « **Reply #18 on:** December 09, 2005, 05:49:52 pm »

Quote from: JimH on December 09, 2005, 04:30:27 pm

In the prehistoric days of computing, there was a simple game, called Liza (I think). The game was a fake psychiatrist. It would say

It still exists. It's part of Emacs.

Quote from: jgreen on December 09, 2005, 05:30:51 pm

1. Okay, I get it (finally). JimH and IOth, I give up. I'm better off harassing Sparta or the scandinavians, who are always good for a chuckle. You guys are just too quick for me!

You shouldn't harsh the Scandinavians (with a capital S, please), since we are all violent vikings prepared to do something stupid! Argh! And Mastiff has a dog! You'd better watch your back. Mr. Sparta is, of course, all yours...

KingSparta · « **Reply #19 on:** December 09, 2005, 05:54:10 pm »

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In the prehistoric days of computing, there was a simple game, called Liza (I think).

Yep I Remember Typing It In.

It was one of the things that got me into basic programming before i took a few college courses with Texas A&M on programming when i was in Germany (they have classes over there for the military) many moons ago.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2005, 09:02:25 pm »

Ice cream anyone?

http://yabb.jriver.com/cpg/displayimage.php?album=40&pos=0

jgreen · « **Reply #21 on:** December 09, 2005, 09:32:00 pm »

Between the Dutchmen and Mr. ChriZ, we might as well start using hand signals. Are those your pictures, which you have highjacked this thread to present, or am I missing something again?

If those are your pix, I like #4, although I would frame in so than the lower dark area is almost gone.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #22 on:** December 09, 2005, 09:48:23 pm »

Quote from: jgreen on December 09, 2005, 09:32:00 pm

Between the Dutchmen and Mr. ChriZ, we might as well start using hand signals. Are those your pictures, which you have highjacked this thread to present, or am I missing something again?

If those are your pix, I like #4, although I would frame in so than the lower dark area is almost gone.

Yeh thats about the jist of it, cheers for the recommendation, I'll look at clipping it tomoz!
This seemed like a well hijacked thread already so i though i'd add to the melay.

Theres some nobs outside keeping me and anyone else in the neighbourhood from going asleep.
It's 3am in the morning and they're loud and drunk and have been there for 2 hours.

It's tempting to call the police but from what i've seen in the past they don't actually do much,
and it looks like they may finally be disbanding... :-S

Sartre · « **Reply #23 on:** December 10, 2005, 01:28:08 am »

Quote from: pank2002 on December 09, 2005, 05:49:52 pm

It still exists. It's part of Emacs.

There's a Miranda IM plugin too, called Eliza, which I use to annoy the hell out of my nephew.

JimH · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2005, 09:52:09 am »

Eliza. Thanks for the correction. Here's some history:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA

hit_ny · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2005, 09:59:28 am »

The only winners in this patent circus are the lawyers that fight the cases.

Talk about work for life....

...which is why i don't think it will be solved in the near future (if at all).

lOth · « **Reply #26 on:** December 10, 2005, 10:19:41 am »

You're getting off-topic guys...

How are you feeling today?

modelmaker · « **Reply #27 on:** December 10, 2005, 08:27:04 pm »

I was feeling kinda blue...

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