Topic: AutoRotate setting /Cameras /XP /Othersoftware (Read 6065 times)

Mr ChriZ · « **on:** July 19, 2006, 03:55:29 pm »

MC is about the only program I own which can correctly work
out which way up my photos are supposed to be, presumably
using something like EXIF?

I'd love an option to turn the photos up the right way,
and erase the rotate information.

Alternatively is this information
x In a tag, that I can obtain from the SDK
x Also writeable in the SDK?

This way I could write a script to do it.

I know ideally it's the other apps that are at fault,
but my budget is well non existant at the moment
so the option of replacing with all new software and hardware ain't
gonna happen!

rpalmer68 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2006, 05:20:50 pm »

I'll vote for this too!

Select the images that need adjusting and "Correct rotation" would be very useful for those of us trying to use MC to magage our photos.

Richard

marko · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2006, 01:59:29 am »

I've been beaten into submission on this one too. (assuming you meant "can't correctly work" in the first line?)

As far as I can tell, there are various ways to determine an images' orientation, and they're stored in the EXIF tags.

the image these tags came from show the right way up in every program that displays them, except for MC and the Windows Picture and Fax Viewer.

If I use MC to losslessly rotate the image, what it actually does is swap the EXIF pixel X and pixel Y values around. (aahh, so EXIF writing can be done

)
Of course, the net result of that is, that now the image is not the right way up when viewed in other programs, except for Windows Picture and Fax Viewer!!!

I have not really investigated the orientation tag in much detail, but it would appear to be the one the majority of programs use to determine a photographs' rotation.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #3 on:** July 20, 2006, 03:18:04 am »

Quote from: marko on July 20, 2006, 01:59:29 am

I've been beaten into submission on this one too. (assuming you meant "can't correctly work" in the first line?)

Erm no, I meant can. No matter which way up I take it,
it appears the right way up in MC.

XP Explorer/ Windows Picture Fax Viewer/Photoshop 7 etc don't attempt to load it the correct way at all.

GHammer · « **Reply #4 on:** July 20, 2006, 03:18:38 am »

Yes, I have several tools that will use that info if available.
Be nice to do since that would leave the original info intact and can be used by other tools.

marko · « **Reply #5 on:** July 20, 2006, 04:02:40 am »

Quote from: Mr ChriZ on July 20, 2006, 03:18:04 am

Erm no, I meant can. No matter which way up I take it,
it appears the right way up in MC.

XP Explorer/ Windows Picture Fax Viewer/Photoshop 7 etc don't attempt to load it the correct way at all.

Interesting!
What camera do you use?
Portrait shots taken with my old Kodak camera displayed the right way round in every program I viewed them with, including MC.
The Canon model I chose as a replacement has the problems I mentioned above.

I'd put this down to "just one of those things I was gonna have to learn to live with" after my initial post regarding the problem (right after buying the Canon) drew very little response indeed.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #6 on:** July 20, 2006, 04:42:38 am »

Of all things... It's a canon!
It's only a little one.
It's the A620

However as I say, I don't think anyother software I've got rotates
the pics at all.
My mums got the EOS 20D + 5D
May have a play with those later and see whether they come out the right way up.

marko · « **Reply #7 on:** July 20, 2006, 04:50:48 am »

Mine's a digital Ixus 700

My Mum's got a sony cybershot... I forget which model, but it cost her £980 a couple of years ago. She takes some truly brilliant pictures with it, and they show the right way up in MC!!!

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2006, 05:02:50 am »

I take some truley god awful pics with mine,
but hey i'm working on it =)

My mums actually a photographer.
We're just considering whether it would be useful to
import her photos in to MC. On Saturday I hooked
it up to import all her photos.
It imported a grand total of 24,350 pictures!
Thats less than a years worth!

glynor · « **Reply #9 on:** July 20, 2006, 08:17:39 am »

MC does not properly handle auto-orientation on any of our cameras. This includes both Canon and Nikon "point-and-shoots" and Canon pro SLR cameras (a wide variety of common models).

Most other apps (Photoshop, Bridge, Portfolio, iPhoto, Lightroom) all do obey the EXIF tags.

Matt · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2006, 08:32:04 am »

Quote from: glynor on July 20, 2006, 08:17:39 am

MC does not properly handle auto-orientation on any of our cameras. This includes both Canon and Nikon "point-and-shoots" and Canon pro SLR cameras (a wide variety of common models).

Most other apps (Photoshop, Bridge, Portfolio, iPhoto, Lightroom) all do obey the EXIF tags.

MC 12 absolutely obeys the EXIF rotation. Do "Update from Tags" to read in values for files imported with MC 11.

marko · « **Reply #11 on:** July 20, 2006, 08:48:30 am »

well well well, waddayaknow!!!!

Again though, update tags is not enough if there's an MJMD tag present. You have to do "Remove tags" first, then update from tags. Then it will work. Be careful with that if you have IPTC keywords or places in the file that are not in sync with the database.

thanks for the tip Matt. bet you were giving it a bit of

as you posted,

marko · « **Reply #12 on:** July 20, 2006, 08:55:28 am »

actually, is there any progress regarding the effect an MJMD tag prescence has over things in v12 atm?

Any recommendations?

Wait a few builds?
Remove all tags, let Otto do its thing and then start from scratch?
update for external changes would need to be off for that, yes?

Why can't I view [dimensions] in the tag window?

help!

glynor · « **Reply #13 on:** July 20, 2006, 09:00:10 am »

Quote from: Matt on July 20, 2006, 08:32:04 am

MC 12 absolutely obeys the EXIF rotation. Do "Update from Tags" to read in values for files imported with MC 11.

Yeah... I should have mentioned. I was referring to MC11.1 in my comment. I haven't tested image functions very thoroughly in MC12 yet.

Matt · « **Reply #14 on:** July 20, 2006, 09:06:31 am »

Quote from: marko on July 20, 2006, 08:48:30 am

Again though, update tags is not enough if there's an MJMD tag present. You have to do "Remove tags" first, then update from tags. Then it will work.

Are you sure? All my images have MJMD tags, and updating from tags pulled in the EXIF rotation information.

marko · « **Reply #15 on:** July 20, 2006, 09:19:17 am »

Yeah, I'm sure. I was wondering if there may be a specific tag that was blocking things, or a cache of some kind?

I give up. I selected some sideways images, update tags... nothing happened... removed tags, updated tags... images are now correct. select some more, update from tags without removing them first, and they rotate correctly.

I've not re-tested it yet, and have not seen it in the fixes/changes lists, but did you see my comments in the IPTC thread re. trashed tags/mjmd/IPTC importing? The whole thing's got my head spinning.

the files I removed the tags from? well their mjmd's are back, and the tool_version tag proclaims 11.1.188, so yeah, I'm in knots. No more from me till the weekend. I just moved v12 onto my main machine for a proper road test.

I plan to test some rippin' and burnin' and the ipod. Setting it all up took a while... play time tomorrow, maybe...

gpvillamil · « **Reply #16 on:** July 20, 2006, 11:16:29 am »

Thumbsplus, from Cerious software, has a "normalize orientation" command that losslessly rotates JPEGs to match the EXIF tag, then resets it. All other EXIF info is maintained. After this process, images appear the right way up in all programs, including Explorer.

It would be nice to see this in MC12.

Though frankly, MC12 seems to be doing a good job as is.

Tested with a variety of Canon Powershots, Nikon D50.

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #17 on:** July 20, 2006, 01:27:32 pm »

Quote from: gpvillamil on July 20, 2006, 11:16:29 am

Thumbsplus, from Cerious software, has a "normalize orientation" command that losslessly rotates JPEGs to match the EXIF tag, then resets it. All other EXIF info is maintained. After this process, images appear the right way up in all programs, including Explorer.

It would be nice to see this in MC12.

Though frankly, MC12 seems to be doing a good job as is.

Tested with a variety of Canon Powershots, Nikon D50.

Thats exactly what I'm on about, would be fantastic

Mr ChriZ · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:48:12 am »

I've got MC building thumbnails for these 24,000 JPG files
Especially with large JPGs (12 Megapixel type ones) it's taking
along time! Currently taken 4 hours, and it's less than 1/2 way.

Also MC becomes very unresponsive during this.
If I switch to another application, it's impossible to
get back to the cancel button. It would be nice if
thumbnail generation was changed to be a progress
style window down near the action window.

Also Also that hour glass really needs updating!

marko · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2006, 04:56:27 am »

using 4000 images atm.

Selected them all this morning add ran update library.

60 files failed to update correctly. took a load of portrait shots too, and they're all showing the right way up. of the 60 that did'nt update, they all needed a 'rotate left' correction. I don't know if that's significant or not. I did the rotation and moved along...

Thumbnails were rebuilt after the update, and I experienced the same sluggishness as Mr ChriZ. It may be happening in the background, but it is deffo impacting on the foreground.

marko · « **Reply #20 on:** July 22, 2006, 10:46:30 am »

I think these problem files are ones that have been rotated already, by MC11.1, to show the right way up in 11.1.

Updating from tags is actually turning the correctly orientated file 90 degrees to the right. subsequent updates don't fix things.

no wonder I was confused.

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