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Surfer_Fox

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Slow database
« on: January 22, 2007, 09:19:06 am »

I have a 36,000 track database that functioned well on MC 11. On MC 12 however, it takes a full minute or more to open a field such as Bios or Notes for editing. Is there a reason the database might slow down so much? Is there anything I might do to speed it up?

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Re: Slow database
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2007, 11:19:42 am »

It shouldn't take that long.

Make sure your database is on a fast local drive.

Also, how are you opening the field for editing? (is MC showing an auto-complete list)
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Re: Slow database
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2007, 05:29:19 pm »

Hi - the slowest fields (Bios and Notes) show an underline (hyperlink???) when the cursor hovers over the field. There is a big difference in access speed to these fields compared to, say, composer.

The database is on a local drive.

Any more thoughts?

Much appreciated.
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Re: Slow database
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2007, 11:34:23 pm »

Generally (lol) you could try recreating the database.  Create a new database and import all your files to see if the old database had some flaky entries or something else just making it troubling.  It almost sounds like it has to do with the music files if you are opening a field like Bios up.  Perhaps MC is reading the file data and there is a slow connection to your file server or where ever you store you media.
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Re: Slow database
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2007, 02:54:42 am »

I have currently about 43000 audio files in my main library, but only some of my files have anything in the Bios field. I don't use the Notes field with audio files.

These few Bios fields open immediately when I try them. It doesn't matter if I use the "Action Window > Tag" window or expand the field contents in a main content pane that is configured to show over 50 fields side by side.


In general, creating a new library may not be an acceptable option for MC users. My statistics start from the year 2002 and I really wouldn't like to lose them. Also, I don't store all fields in the file tags and not all file formats or locations (e.g. the CD database) can store metadata outside of MC's library.
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Re: Slow database
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2007, 04:07:56 pm »

Yeah, losing my database would not be good.  And MC is very fast for me and most of my songs have bios, lyrics, reviews etc..
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Re: Slow database
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2007, 10:36:39 pm »

I don't think I can add much except that MC12's database is slow for me too.  MC11 is MUCH faster.  If I'm going to edit the Bios field in MC12 it can take as long as a minute to alow me to enter data (I use the "right-click --> Rename" method).
 
Sometimes switching from Playing Now to Audio (to view my entire 27,000 song collection) it takes about a minute too.  It happens when I start MC12 sometimes too (I perceive this as MC loading the database). 

I don't want to rebuild the database either.  Loosing all that data would not be a good thing.

Most of my collection is FLAC if that matters.

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Re: Slow database
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2007, 12:49:52 am »

King needs to comment on this issue, he has much bigger library and makes extensive use of bio's.
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Re: Slow database
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2007, 09:22:53 pm »

This should not be the case iCamp.  MC12 should beat-or-tie MC11 in "speed tests" nearly 100% of the time, with identical libraries.  About the only thing I find slow in MC12 is the automatic thumbnailing processes (which, can be a killer if you have a lot of RAW images in your library, or a lot of movies on a slow network drive).  I generally try to run a manual Thumbnail build on my library once every other week or so overnight, to avoid as much of the background thumbnail building as is possible.  You can do this via: Tools --> Options --> Tree & View --> Thumbnails --> Build Missing Thumbnails.

Assuming that doesn't clear it up, you'll probably want to check the logs.  Do you have logging enabled (Help --> Logging)?

If not, go ahead and enable all of the events, and reset the log and restart MC12.  Try to recreate some of the steps you mentioned (including startup) and then immediately review the log activity.  The numbers along the left edge are times in milliseconds, and longer multi-step processes are also timed when they finish.

Try looking for specific items that take a very long time to complete.  If you find something that looks unusual, or is taking multiple seconds to complete, then post the relevant "clip" of the log here, like this:

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0000141: 3916: Database: MCDB::Unload: Start
0000141: 3916: Database: MCDB::Unload: Unloading
0000141: 3916: Database: MCDB::Unload: Resetting info
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0000141: 3916: Database: CMediaFileIOLoad::Load: Loading: C:\library_data\andoria\mediafiles.jmd
0000141: 3916: Database: MCDB::GetRMDB: Creating object
0000141: 3916: Database: CMediaFileIOLoad::Load: Loading: C:\library_data\andoria\removable.jmd
0000156: 3916: Database: MCDB::GetPLDB: Creating object
0000156: 3916: Database: CMediaFileIOLoad::Load: Loading: C:\library_data\andoria\playlistx.jmd
0000156: 3916: Database: MCDB::GetMFDB: Creating object
0000156: 3916: Database: CMediaFileIOLoad::Load: Loading: C:\library_data\andoria\mediafiles.jmd
0000188: 3916: Database: MCDB::GetBSDB: Creating object
0000188: 3916: Database: CMediaFileIOLoad::Load: Loading: C:\library_data\andoria\browser.jmd
0000188: 3916: Database: MCDB::GetVSDB: Creating object
0000188: 3916: Database: CMediaFileIOLoad::Load: Loading: C:\library_data\andoria\view state (index).jmd
0000266: 3916: Database: MCDB::GetCPLDB: Creating object (0)
0000266: 3916: Database: CMediaFileIOLoad::Load: Loading: C:\library_data\andoria\curplaylist.jmd
0000266: 3916: Database: MCDB::Save: Start
0000266: 3916: Database: MCDB::Save: Saving (bCleanDB: 0, bForce: 0)
0000281: 3916: Database: MCDB::Save: Finish (15 ms)

Which is where my library is loaded while MC is starting up.  Bear in mind that some processes, such as downloading Podcasts, will take a long time to complete no matter what.  These activities typically don't block normal program operation though...  Another thing that would be helpful for trying to diagnose the issue is more specifics on the system you're running it on.  EG: System Stats (RAM, OS, CPU, and Other running tasks), where are the media files located (what type of drive, and connected how), where is the database located (same), and anything else that could be impacting the performance of the machine.
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Re: Slow database
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2007, 03:10:17 pm »

Hello - first of all, just to say thanks for all the follow-up. When you're baffled it's great to know you're not alone.

Here's a clip (as much of it as possible within the 8000 chr limit) from clicking once on a track name and then clicking once on the bios field to open it. I'm no expert I'm afraid, so I don't know what I'm looking for in this (please note that the lyrics field takes slightly less time than Bios to fill. Many tracks in my database do nmot have lyrics, which leads me to suspec tthe problem might be related top the amount of data stored in the fields. Also note that MC12 is installed on my C drive and all the music files themselves ona separate (internal) drive. Could this affect speed?

Thank you again

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Re: Slow database
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2007, 03:33:20 pm »

As a start, try upgrading to the newest build at the top of this board.

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Re: Slow database
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2007, 04:01:14 pm »

OK, updated MC but still takes 30 seconds to a minute to open the bios field:

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Re: Slow database
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2007, 04:04:52 pm »

Could you send a library backup to matt at jriver dot com?  We'll use it to see if we can reproduce the slowness, and then we'll erase it.

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Re: Slow database
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2007, 01:20:09 pm »

Done - thanks Matt
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