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[horse]

Hi I have a Denon 4806CI which work with other DLNA or upnp servers however when I use MC11 i get the following error: -

10/30/06 21:54:12 - Unable to handle SOAP Action: "urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ContentDirectory:1#Browse", URL Path: /control, Request:
10/30/06 21:54:12 - <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<s:Envelope s:encodingStyle="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/" xmlns:s="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/">
<s:Body>
<u:Browse xmlns:u="urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ContentDirectory:1">
<ObjectID>0</ObjectID>
<BrowseFlag>BrowseDirectChildren</BrowseFlag>
<Filter>@childCount,dc:creator,upnp:album,upnp:artist,res,res@protection,upnp:searchClass</Filter>
<StartingIndex>0</StartingIndex>
<RequestedCount>50</RequestedCount>
<SortCriteria></SortCriteria>
</u:Browse>
</s:Body>
</s:Envelope>

and it fails to connect. I have tried the auto detect option as well as various advanced options. So far no luck.

I did find someone with a 3806 Denon that seemed to work fine.
More than happy to do more testing if required.

Thanks

[InflatableMouse]

If the  4806's implementation is the same as the 4306 (which I'm getting this week  ) we are out of luck. Although it's called upnp its actually M$ interpretation of upnp which is everything but 'universal'.

For the 4306 I need Microsofts MediaConnect software, which is also used for the  xbox360. MJ is not (yet?) compatible with m$ 'upnp'.

[John Gateley]

That looks like UPnP (though the Windows Connect may still be a problem).

Could you do a network sniff (www.ethereal.com)?

Thanks,

j

[InflatableMouse]

Might be as soon as this coming weekend depending on when it gets delivered.

I might need some more info on how you want me to setup the capture (port, protocol etc).

[John Gateley]

Ethereal is pretty straightforward - it captures everything (all ports, protocols). Just start it, turn on the Denon, wait for the error message, then stop ethereal. E-mail me the sniff (gateley at jriver.com)

Thanks,

j

[horse]

In the documentation it states Windows Media connect or other DLNA server (upnp)

The good news for inflatetable mouse is it will work with the following servers

TVersity
Yahoo Music Jukebox (MusicMatch)
Nero MediaShow

I actually haven't tested Media Connect or WMP11 as it is not supported on W2K3

I know it is not a network issue as I'm on 100M wired using a standard switch and the other servers work. More than happy to sniff the packets, but it seems pretty clear the url got to MC11.

Currently I'm using Yahoo's as it reads my MMJB tags for my music collection stored on WAV format.
TVersity doesn't support WAV tag and Nero uses Meta tags but I think I need to RIP with Nero to use their tags as as my library shows up as a single unknown album. I'm not going through the rip process again

I wanted to try MC as I hopefully can get it to import the MMJB tags, but so far on my test setup it sees the service but I cannot connect due to the error on the server.

For inflatable mouse - I received the 4806CI, plugged in the speakers and the Ethernet and was able to start enjoying my music in just minutes. It is awesome! you will not be dissapointed!

[horse]

John,

More tha happy to look at the network (I'm a CCIE and network stuff for a living :-)  )
Based on the error it looks like the SOAP request is in a format MC doesn't understand.

[horse]

just fired up MC on a XP mchine and i get the following error

10/31/06 08:54:48 - JRiver UPnP Server Version 1.0.37 starting...
10/31/06 08:54:49 - UPnP Media Server Device started on port 2000
10/31/06 08:54:49 - Running
10/31/06 08:54:50 - GENA Subscribe message
10/31/06 08:54:50 - GENA Subscribe message
10/31/06 08:54:50 - GENA Subscribe message
10/31/06 08:54:50 - GENA Subscribe message
10/31/06 08:54:50 - Received request for device description
10/31/06 08:54:53 - Unable to handle SOAP Action: "urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ContentDirectory:1#GetSearchCapabilities", URL Path: /control, Request:
10/31/06 08:54:53 - <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<S:Envelope xmlns:S="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/" S:encodingStyle="http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/encoding/">
<S:Body>
<u:GetSearchCapabilities xmlns:u="urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ContentDirectory:1" />
</S:Body>
</S:Envelope>

[John Gateley]

Can you make a sniff with ethereal? The SOAP url is not being parsed correctly, not sure why, but the sniff would help.

Thanks,

j

[horse]

trace sent. Let me know if you don't have it.

Thanks!

[John Gateley]

This looks like a bug in the Denon. I couldn't find a support forum to contact them, but if you know of one, here's the gory details:

Media Center's device description includes the following:
<service>

<serviceType>urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ContentDirectory:1</serviceType>

<serviceId>urn:upnp-org:serviceId:ContentDirectory</serviceId>

<SCPDURL>http://192.168.1.100:2000/ContentDirectory/scpd.xml</SCPDURL>

<controlURL>http://192.168.1.100:2000/ContentDirectory/control</controlURL>

<eventSubURL>http://192.168.1.100:2000/ContentDirectory/event</eventSubURL>

</service>

The Denon's response (without the body) is:
POST /control HTTP/1.1

Host: 192.168.1.100:2000

SOAPACTION: "urn:schemas-upnp-org:service:ContentDirectory:1#GetSearchCapabilities"

CONTENT-TYPE: text/xml ; charset="utf-8"

User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible)

Accept: */*

Content-Length: 291



The url "/control" is incorrect, it should be "/ContentDirectory/control"

There's an "owner's club" page on Denon's website (I can't get to it, it requires registering your denon product), or maybe try support?

Thanks,

j

[horse]

Thanks John, I will try and contact them.
Still the strange thing is it works with the other upnp (DLNA) servers i have tried.
So far this is the only one it doesn't work with.
I guess the others use the url /control and with MC11 there is another level /ContentDeirectory ?
Will compare with Y! Music for a more complete call to Denon

My reason for trying MC11 is the library management, tagging and it also integrates the Tivo HMO service into the same application.

Thanks again for the quick response, will post any updates for future Denon owners.

[John Gateley]

If you'll send me a sniff for a different server, I'll see if they are doing something that avoids the bug.

I'm just guessing, but it's possible that the other servers use "http:/x.x.x./control" as the URL for the control, though how they handle the ConnectionManager I don't know...

j

[horse]

Will do, I will get some traces from other and compare.
Thanks

[horse]

John,

Sent two more traces. One using Yahoo and the other Nero.
The difference I see in the frames I mentioned are: -

MC11 uses
<controlURL>http://192.168.1.100:2000/ContentDirectory/control</controlURL>

Nero uses
<controlURL>/RenderingControl/ctrl</controlURL>

Yahoo uses
<controlURL>/ConnectionManager/control</controlURL>

Hopefully this explains why the others work?
Looking at the specs at upnp.org it is unclear what syntax a URL should be in the body.

Thanks again

[John Gateley]

Media Center 12.0.106 and above (not out just yet) has a possible fix for this. Choose "Advanced" in the UPnP Options and select "Omit Host Portion of URLs".

j

[horse]

John,

What can I say! Thanks for submitting the change so quickly.
Will wait for MC12.106 and give it a whirl
I think I'll buy MC12 just because of the resposiveness :-)

[InflatableMouse]

Trying to make it into the guiness book of records? 

Thanks for all the work! It's much appreciated!

[John Gateley]

Thanks. I'd appreciate it if y'all would still contact Denon. There is a bug in their UPnP code, and it would be nice to get it fixed.

j

[horse]

John,

Will do. I tested the fix and I can connect. Did not get too much time, but the fix works.
Need to do some more digging and checking, but I noticed the files where converted to MP3 unless I turned off "convert if required".
I guess somewhere the capabiltied exchange of the Denon are not correct.
Will check some more, but thought I should at least update the thread.
I can browse the library and play music via MC12.106 :-)

Wish I had developers that could submit a fix this quick and get it posted!
will spend some more time on it over the next couple of days.

[InflatableMouse]

Great!

I'm looking forward to the Denon. Unfortunately delivery has been delayed til the end of  next week

[horse]

Did some additional testing over the weekend.
It may be me but the "Omit Host Portion of URL" logic seems to be reversed.

I.e. I check the box (X) and the Denon fails. Uncheck the box and it works :-)
Doing the same with "Allow Visual Content" shows pictures and video when checked and only audio when unchecked.

Setting up a Custom Menu (View Scheme) so it's easy to navigate on the Denon is VERY flexible and feature rich. It is an awesome feature in MC that other servers I tried did not allow at all.
I can browse by Artist, album or song title (Name), with or without grouping.

So far the only things left to figure out are: -

1/ Need to disable conversion to MP3 to allow the WAV file to play. (I think that is because the Denon does not have a profile and its capabilities are not exchanged correctly)

2/ While configuring the view scheme and setting the display to be sorted by [Name] it is displayed alphabetically in MC12, however on the Denon it is not. Need to look at an Ethereal trace to see what is sent. Or check out the Tivo menu.

3/ Cannot get MC11 or 12 to read the MusicMatch 8.2 headers in the WAV files. Media Monkey and AudioSHell work fine. Funny enough Yahoo 2.0 (the up to date version of MM) reads them fine except the track #'s are wrong :-) This is no big deal as I just used the libray tool to add Artist and Album from the filename and path. I'll think about the other fields another time.

4/ Haven't figured out if i can, or how to allow Web audio content to be proxied by MC and show up in the menu on the Denon. (TBH, just haven't tried to hard and having the upnp set to not convert for now, I need to resolve #1 before proceeding)

This software is awesome as well as the support.

My only concern is will my trial period expire before MC12 is released and I can purchase that version. If all else fails I'll buy MC11 and pay for the upgrade. 

Thanks!

Inflatablemouse, hope your Denon turns up soon, mine had a mix up and I waited almost 8 weeks before it turned up! Well worth the wait though.

John,
The Denon owners club doesn't help regarding the bug. I will call there customer service on the East Coast during the weekdays and report the problem. I hope they are as responsive as you, especially considering how much more I paid them over what I'll pay for your software :-)

[horse]

ignore comment about waiting for MC12 to release. I was looking at the web site and could only find MC11 for purchase.
Should have tried "Buy" from MC12 :-)

[John Gateley]

It may be me but the "Omit Host Portion of URL" logic seems to be reversed.

Correct, thanks, I've fixed that.

Doing the same with "Allow Visual Content" shows pictures and video when checked and only audio when unchecked.

This is the proper behavior. When "Allow Visual Content" is checked, browsing will show visual content. When it is not checked (that is, when visual content is not allowed), browsing will only show audio content.

1/ Need to disable conversion to MP3 to allow the WAV file to play. (I think that is because the Denon does not have a profile and its capabilities are not exchanged correctly)

This is in the Options dialog.

2/ While configuring the view scheme and setting the display to be sorted by [Name] it is displayed alphabetically in MC12, however on the Denon it is not. Need to look at an Ethereal trace to see what is sent. Or check out the Tivo menu.

The Denon may be sorting the data on its own, or it may be requesting the data in a different sort order.

My only concern is will my trial period expire before MC12 is released and I can purchase that version. If all else fails I'll buy MC11 and pay for the upgrade. 

If you buy an MC11 license, it will work with MC12. The only way to purchase is from within the program - you cannot purchase from the website.

The Denon owners club doesn't help regarding the bug. I will call there customer service on the East Coast during the weekdays and report the problem. I hope they are as responsive as you, especially considering how much more I paid them over what I'll pay for your software :-)

Thanks... sometimes the developers hang out on the customer forums, but perhaps not in this case

j

[horse]

Purchased MC12, worth every cent!

Will update the thread with regard to: -

Sorting - Must have been late - works just fine :-)

Denon response to bug -  Reported issue to Denon Tech Support. Sent details and traces of the issue. NO specific response yet. (6th Nov)

The options dialogue so I can leave conversion enabled if required. - Unable to see any options dialogue between the Denon and MC. Getting late 1:23AM so will sleep on it.

Thanks John for your fast response. I am one happy owner of both the Denon and MC12

[etlprws]

Hi,

Just trying MC for the first time with a Denon AVR-4603.  Following this thread I chose MC12.123.

When I start the upnp server I get the follow:

12/04/06 20:52:37 - JRiver UPnP Server Version 1.0.41 starting...
12/04/06 20:52:38 - UPnP Media Server Device started on port 2069
12/04/06 20:52:38 - Running

and that is all!

I cannot see any upnp server from the denon (it works with MS WMC).

Could someone let me have the options settings that have worked with a Denon AVR?

Many thanks
Peter

[john h]

That's a coincidence.  I also am a proud owner of a new Denon 4603.  Great unit!  I'd also very much appreciate any explanations/instructions regarding anything that allows the Denon to work with MC. 

Thanks!

[etlprws]

I have now tried WMC, Twonky and Orb.  The Denon connects to these without any problems.

I like the interface and features with MC, but if it can't be made to work with the Denon then I guess I will have to use one of the others.

Any suggestions on what settings might work?

Thanks
Peter

[etlprws]

Ah ha! It works! 

Turned off my firewall in XP and now I can connect and browse files from Denon AVR.

For those that are interested, the settings I used are as follows:

Convert audio if necessary
MP3 Encoder (Advanced settings default)
Port 2069 (not specified)
Receiver - Advanced
Filter International Characters - checked
Omit Host Portion of URL - checked
All other options - unchecked

I haven't played around with the settings now that it works, so other settings may work also.

Regards
Peter

[John Gateley]

Thanks for the info Peter.

j

[john h]

John/Peter: does this setup allow the Denon to see the  playlists created within MC??  Thanks!

[horse]

John H, the playlists work fine on the 4806, so don't see why they won't work with the 4603.

Peter,
What format is your library in? MP3?

BTW, reminds me, I need to chase Denon, have not had a response after they passed it to another tech.
Just not the same service as John Gateley provided us :-)

Also tested a HDCD ripped in WAV and that works great, can stream HDCD's and the light come on!
Wish I was younger to actually hear the difference :^)

Just upgraded to .130 and still one very happy camper

[john h]

For Horse and others,

I have set up my 4603 with the network and settings described by Horse (and, like Horse, was cursing how it wouldn't work until I made an exception in the firewall).  The receiver synchs very nicely with MC in terms of playing the libraries and playlists/smartlists, so I can happily listen to my music.  It sounds really nice, too!

BUT:

I will say that the interface is shockingly primitive.  The display reminds me of an old Atari 2400.  The menus are beyond lousy.  Want to scroll through a different playlist or radio station?  Fine, but don't plan to listen to anything while you do.  You can't view more than 3 items from a long list at any one time, and no way to power scroll through long lists.  I think that my 7-year-old could program better than that.

[horse]

LOL John, I would agree, Thanks to the customization in MC I have been able to workaround the interface issues. (grouping etc.)

I am still waiting for a response from them and have sent a follow-up. My list of improvements to make it work better with UPnP are: -

1/ The song Name is scrolled but no Artist or Album info displayed on the front panel while playing.
2/ On the OSD the Album and Artist do not have scrolling like the name does, so long album or artists are truncated.
3/ No PgDN and PgUP (Skip 10 or somethingthing like that)
4/ Larger buffer. (My library is all in WAV and any hiccup on my server (it does other stuff) and I may hear a glitch. Probaly fine on MP3's
5/ After power off the MC server address is not cached and it may take a few minutes to discover it (i.e. waits for an advertisment from MC)

That said the sound (why I purchased it) is awesome, thankfully I found MC and with all the customization I can do with View Schemes I can sit back and enjoy music selection with a few clicks of the remote. Thank you J River!

Just trying to make Smartlists (random) refresh each time I select them. Will start a new post for that.

[InflatableMouse]

I've had my Denon 4306 for a couple of months now and actually got around playing with this feature.

Thanks to everyone for getting this to work. Great stuff!

[john h]

I've also had my 4306 for a few months and have enjoyed the great sound when playing my MC library. 

I use sonos boxes throughout my house upstairs, but use the 4306 in the basement where I have my media room.  The improvement in the digital sound from my old set-up (the analog output from the Tivo) is night and day, but the 4306 really does have a way of making my music sound great.  Thanks to MC, the Denon doesn't care whether it is streaming a flac or ogg encoded file, and even my mp3s sound great (although I have been slowly replacing all my 128 bit-rate mp3s with better quality files).  Once you get over the woefully inadequate instruction manual and adjust the settings to get the bass back from the 4306, I've been in heaven.  It all sounds so nice that I literally have a hard time getting up because I want to hear how good the next song sounds.

It's a shame that the interface is lousy, but I pretty much just play my MC smartlists when I listen to my music anyway so even though it's slow and klunky I'm satisfied once the music starts.  If anyone has any information about how to change the interfaces, or if this becomes an option in the future, I hope that our fine friends on this board will let us know.


 

[InflatableMouse]

I think its great it works and with all respect for everything that has been accomplished, I don't use it anymore. I have a coax cable running to my receiver and I just get up and play something on MC12. MC12's interface works so much better than the Denon's interface. My Atari 2600 from 1980 had a nicer interface than the Denon. Guess what it even had colors