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[raldo]

Hi,

as I mentioned in an earlier post (http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=45160.0), I am about to start a project where my father and I will tag *many images*.

In some of the older pictures, I have no idea who's in the image. The problem with the "People" tag, is that the order of people is alphabetized when tagging is finished.

Is it possible to keep the order of the people tag? Then at least we can use the "behind from left to right" convention until face tagging becomes available?

[JONCAT]

I second this.

DC

[gappie]

i also dont understand why this is. i started putting people under my images a while back. every few months ill do some. although i remember that i read that the sorting of lists changed, i never made the connection. until a few minutes ago. it looks like it is still right in the tags from the files and in the databse. as long as you dont change a thing. 

i just checked. apparently when you roll back to a pre 421 version, there is no alfabetic sorting within the lists.

[AoXoMoXoA]

Alphabetizing also ocurrs in the othe semi-colon deliminated lists such as my Styles tags.

Now whenever I add an album and go to the Artist to copy the Styles to the new addition, they all re-write in alphabetical order (since I am in the habit of selecting all before the copy).

Not a real problem except that this also causes a re-write on all my backup drives increasing time + wear & tear, which can be significant on a large library with multiple backups. 

[Matt]

Sorting of list-type fields was added by popular demand a while ago.

Feel free to voice your opinion.  We'll remove it if it's not popular.

[AoXoMoXoA]

OK, well it is not popular here 

In addition to the additional disk re-writes, my styles are (were in some cases now) sorted by the major styles first, followed by the lesser influences. This conflicts with the alphabetical sorting

[gappie]

i just tried to search for a thread where i can read why the sorting of list-type fields is a good idea. for the pros and the cons. this is the thread i found:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=43975.50
it is near the end.

[c1c9k72]

I would definitely prefer sorting to be an option, and not mandatory.

[raldo]

Well, I think an option wrt. this would possibly introduce problems "sometimes in the future".

For example, say I tag all my photos (or music) with the option to sort disabled. The *order information* is then saved in the file itself.

Later, someone imports these files with the option to sort enabled....

I'd vote for a Library *function* which sorts fields instead of an option. A function would give better control of library changes

[AoXoMoXoA]

I had another idea, once a list is satisfactorily complete could it be converted from a 'semi-colon delininated list' into a 'text-string' or something, thus making it immune to alphabetical sorting? 

This could help in my case, although there'd still be the re-write & backup workload generated one time, at least my sorting will not get overwritten.

[gappie]

ive been expereimenting a bit. and when you dont use any nesting, a solution is using an other seperator. for instance:

c1c9k72 - raldo - AoXoMoXoA

this looks better under images when used in caption. sorting will leave it alone.

now the problem is ofcource, to get a list.
for this you could use a calculated field or an expression in a column with

Code: [Select]

replace([people], - ,;)&datatype=[list]
the result is
AoXoMoXoA
c1c9k72
raldo

[raldo]

ive been expereimenting a bit. and when you dont use any nesting, a solution is using an other seperator. for instance:
[snip]

now the problem is ofcource, to get a list.
for this you could use a calculated field or an expression in a column with

Code: [Select]

replace([people], - ,;)&datatype=[list]
[snip]

This looks rather "non standard"?

I think it's important to keep something like this as close to a standard as possible.

What if you sometime in the future would want to import the images in another app (or you share the images with someone who doesn't use MC) ?

[gappie]

This looks rather "non standard"?

I think it's important to keep something like this as close to a standard as possible.

What if you sometime in the future would want to import the images in another app (or you share the images with someone who doesn't use MC) ?

dont know. depends on how you look at it. when i share the picture with someone using an other app. he just gets the people on the pic as they are there, and the change that the other app also wants to be smart and put them in alphabetic order is reduced.
the nice thing is that mc gives the tools to use these tags as lists none the less. and other thing is, that at the moment that im sure the order will not change when using a more 'standard' list. i can convert them easy enough.

[raldo]

With this method, I guess you won't be able to use the tick boxes that appear after a name has been added when one tags people with the "regular method"?

[raldo]

A question to JRiver: Is there any chance that you will make any changes wrt. ordering in the Peoples tag?

[raldo]

Bump...

[gappie]

yes... i can think of solutions, but it is a pain. im using keywords for my music files putting the musicians in there, and i dont type them in some order to get them messed up by mc later. did the same with the people field for pics and want to do the same for videoos with the main character first, undependend of his name. matt said it was on popular demand that this was changed. i searched and found two people who asked for it, which is fine, ofcource, but here are at least 2 times as much people asking the opposite.. lol. so.

i miss some discusion about it.. pros/cons   

 
gab


edit: changed my post a bit. was to much bargoens in there.