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Discussion: Classical Music
Listener:
--- Quote from: Frobozz on March 29, 2008, 12:34:27 pm ---True. I intentionally went with a LCD and KISS approach. In part to have a tagging system that isn't tied too closely to custom tags in Media Center. In part because I can get a little too engrossed in filling out tagging details and relations if I let myself. So I made a conscious decision at the start that I was going to with a LCD and KISS approach.
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Your choice. I don't think that my approach is any harder. You just have to figure out what you want and how to accomplish it before you start. I spend several weeks playing with players and tagging approaches on a small library before I plunged in on my actual library.
--- Quote from: Frobozz on March 29, 2008, 12:34:27 pm ---I am mostly following the classical style guide at MusicBrainz for track, title, and format while trying to keep things within the standard MP3 tags.
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I found Musicbrainz after I had seen just how bad CDDB and FreeDB were for classical music. I had high hopes. It was a huge disappointment! They did all that work and the result is no better than FreeDB for classical music. Music brain dead.
--- Quote from: Frobozz on March 29, 2008, 12:34:27 pm ---For example, I use "No.5" or "Op.125" (no space after the period) because that makes searching easier. It is easier to search on "No.5" than "No. 5" with most search engines.
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What search engines are you using to find your music files by tags?
You seem to value keeping the possibility of using any s/w player or any portable player. If I am unable to use MC 12, I'll probably write my own s/w player. If the iPod is no longer a possibility, I'll go with a portable player that lets me browse a hierarchy of folders. I see no point in living with unsatisfactory compromises in the meantime.
Bill
Frobozz:
--- Quote from: Listener on March 29, 2008, 02:26:01 pm ---What search engines are you using to find your music files by tags?
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Search features in other media players, or even the search feature built in Vista (it can search some MP3 tags).
--- Quote from: Listener on March 29, 2008, 02:26:01 pm ---You seem to value keeping the possibility of using any s/w player or any portable player.
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Yes, perhaps unnecessarily so. Keeping the tags friendly for portable players was the main concern.
I can always expand my tagging later to take better advantage of Media Center's features.
It might be useful to have a suggested classical music tagging style guild in the wiki. A style guide that is friendly and consistent to however it is that YADB has (or will) handle classical music tags. Something to get more people on the same page with tagging in YADB.
I can always change and adapt to a suggested style for tags in YADB.
ThoBar:
I've taken almost exactly the opposite approach to Fobozz, making my tagging scheme as detailed as possible (similar to darichman). My assumption is that if I want to resort to standard tags, MC lets me use expressions to build a tag how it needs to be for that field (eg, Artist would use the expression [Artists], [Composer], [Conductor], [Orchestra]).
As an aside, I'd *really* like JRiver to unlock the 'standard' fields for editing. This would be especially helpful for the situation I have just described, as it would enable me to set the std fields to a calculated field to achieve what I've described automatically, rather than being a manual process. TBH, I find the std fields almost useless quite often as they are single item fields (which is also no good for the nested keyword feature - if that ever gets expanded ;) ) and as I've said can not be set to be calculated fields.
darichman:
--- Quote from: confishy on March 29, 2008, 09:23:18 pm ---As an aside, I'd *really* like JRiver to unlock the 'standard' fields for editing.
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A big fat giant "here here!" from me on this one...
I'd settle for being able to set the artist field as a "list"
eric999:
I just discovered, downloaded, and am trying to see if MC 12 makes it worth my while to rip and tag several thousand CD's worth of classical music. The process of attempting to use itunes to do this a year or so ago is still a painful memory. I searched these forums and have attempted to use darichman's method as outlined in this thread.
I'm having trouble with the [Classical: Piece] field and getting it to use the expression darichman included in his post to pull together the various name fields and display them properly. I copied and pasted the expression from this thread and find that it sometimes works correctly, and sometimes doesn't (not including the key or number, etc... in it's output).
I guess my first question is whether it's possible to somehow share the tag, view and other aspects of setup for MC12 for use with classical music. I'm not much of a tech person and, if others have setup MC12 for use with classical music and are willing to share that setup, is it possible to somehow provide the customizations that have been created to others to install themselves?
If not, does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start to try and fix the issues I'm having with the [Classical: Piece] expression not working consistently.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Eric
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