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Discussion: Classical Music
DBB:
I would like to illustrate my above comment. How do I load a screenshot? Thanks.
Listener:
--- Quote from: DBB on December 03, 2008, 08:56:44 pm ---In my pane I have two columns. The first is "Composer", the next is "Composer, work, Performing Artists". Once a composer is selected, each work appears in the second virticle column without repeating. All the Beethoven Symphony no 9's come up together so I can choose the performance I want to listen to. I can then choose which Beethoven Symphony no 9 I want to listen to. When a specific "Composer, work, Performing Artists" is selected in the second vertical, the bottom horizontal column identifies each movement.
If I under your scheme, it seems it would repeat the name on the work 4 times, assuming 4 movements, one for each movement. Is this correct? If so isn't this too cluttered?
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I think I understand what you are doing. I just don't think it is necessary.
For classical music, I use 5 tags for browsing:
Sub_genre ("Orchestral" or "Concerto, Piano"
Composer ("Beethoven", "Mozart")
Work Name ("Symphony No. 1" or "Concerto, Piano No. 9")
Artist ("Szell_Cleveland Orchestra" or "Brendel_Marriner_ASMF")
Version ("CBS Masterworks" or "Essential Classics")
(The Name tag contains the movement name ("3 - Minuet" or "1 - Allegro").)
Each of these 5 tags has a browser pane. If I were looking for performances of Beethoven's symphony No. 1, I might start by picking "Orchestral" from the Sub_genre pane. The remaining panes would then list only tag values for "Orchestral" works. Then I would select "Beethoven" from the Composer pane. The Work Name would have a list of "Orchestral" works by Beethoven and none by other Composers. Each work would be listed in the Work Name pane just once. After I selected "Symphony No. 1" from the Work Name pane, I would see a list of Artists for whom I have a recording of this work. After I select an Artist, I would see a list of the 4 music files that make up the performance's 4 movements. Then I could click the Play button or select all the files, right click and choose "Add to playing now".
I only use the Version tag when I have several recordings with the same Composer, Work Name and Artist. In the most common case, I bought a re-mastered version of a CD I already owned.
I chose this way of tagging files and using the tag values to fit the way I wanted to select music. At every step of the process, I am selecting from a list of manageable size. I distributed information to the tags to keep each value reasonably short. Screen real estate matters. It is also good UI design to have the information you need at the beginning of a string.
Bill
DBB:
Hello Bill:
I think my system may be simpler to use because it only uses two vertical pains (columns) at a time, but it requires more typing to enter data into the "Composer, work, Performing Artists" field and the spacing and grammar must be uniform if the performances are to come up together. My view scheme on the left (the tree?) allows me to search by composer/work; Performing Artist/Work; or Genre/Work. Usually I leave the "Composer/Work" selected, which results in two clicks to find the performance I want. It takes 1 click of the mouse on the composer's name to bring up all the works of that composer, and all the performances by various performing artists. It then only takes a second click to choose the specific performance. It never takes more than three clicks to find a specific performance of a work. I have a lot of multiple performances of the same work by different performing artists (conductors, orchestras soloists etc.). For instance, I have 11 versions of the Beethoven violin concerto. If I can figure out how to load a screen shot, I will show you.
Thanks,
David
darichman:
O wow... looks like this threads been getting some attention recently. Sorry I haven't been around as much as I should.
--- Quote from: eric999 on November 23, 2008, 08:40:06 pm ---If not, does anyone have any suggestions as to where to start to try and fix the issues I'm having with the [Classical: Piece] expression not working consistently.
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Hey hey! What's not working for you at the moment? I can take a look at it if... maybe if you tell me which fields you are using and what output you're getting?
I must admit I haven't touched it in quite a while.
--- Quote from: DBB on December 03, 2008, 10:05:46 pm ---I would like to illustrate my above comment. How do I load a screenshot? Thanks.
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Replied to your PM - would like to see your screenshot!
Some nice ideas in this thread. It would be nice to get classical music fields standardised in some way (especially if there's talks of an online database for sharing info etc) but as Listener's pointed out, we all use our info differently.
I'm happy to have as many fields as it takes (thank you 26'' screen :)) to have a fairly decent catalog, but I know for some, it's all about getting the info in there and displaying it concisely.
Well I've posted mine, as have a few others... so how do we feel about what info is "essential" (ie should be included as a field by default) and what should be left only to obsessive-compulsive taggers ;)?
The thread Jim was referring to can be found here: http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=48504.msg338552
DBB:
Thanks for the instructions Chris. I still couldn't get the image in. but the hyperlink did work. I list the three schemes I use to browse my classical. I feel that it is fairly simple once set up. I also use other fields (ie location, type of file, track, source ie LP CD or SACD, notes) but they are out of view. What do you think?
http://www.pix01.com/gallery/FB8DEA61-C2C2-4381-A0E1-D3A38E66CB76/Composer_work/bigpage.html?image=689462699_orig0.jpg
http://www.pix01.com/gallery/FB8DEA61-C2C2-4381-A0E1-D3A38E66CB76/Screenshot_2/bigpage.html?image=1023299217_orig0.jpg
http://www.pix01.com/gallery/FB8DEA61-C2C2-4381-A0E1-D3A38E66CB76/Screenshot_3/bigpage.html?image=60914156_orig0.jpg
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