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Discussion: Classical Music
JimH:
I've added a link to this thread from a new topic called "Classical Music" in the Wiki. Thanks for all of the details.
globetrotter, with respect to ideas that don't translate well from one language to another, please allow me to comment on part of your post above. Perhaps you may find it useful.
--- Quote ---I posted some months ago a question here on this forum regarding the structuring of classical music within a combined MC database. Got no bigger response then. Some comments though. But my impression was that no one took me really for serious with my problem as it was "just a music library question". The funniest comment was that I won't need to care about all that in the ripping stage, I could do all the tagging and such in a later stage. Which (as I could find out on a daily base) is totally wrong! You have to do it AT ONCE, everything else is just not manageable!
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This leading paragraph seems to be primarily a general complaint, or even a series of complaints. If you dropped the paragraph, the entire post reads more agreeably. In fact, it is quite useful and informative.
Back to the subject, we're aware of the different needs of classical music and would like to address them. We've added some new default fields recently for that purpose. We know that more could be done, but the needs are so different that we're not certain how to proceed.
I've mentioned a partner of ours before. Digibit.es of Spain. They specialize in this area and are encouraging us to improve our support for classical music.
globetrotters1:
Jim
appreciate your comment and I think I got the idea of what you want to say.
There is one problem around which always bothers me while working with classical music (tagging) and it seems that Darichman solved it somehow (and I don't know how to do it, didn't find the solution until now): I'd like to have another order of the tag fields in the action/tag window - and until now I can just have it sorted alphabetically - is there a trick to have them in a logical order?
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update: I think I found it, sorry for the comment - it's "show tags in current view" and I have to set the view the way I want before, now I got the idea, I think
DBB:
I custom made a single field with three parts: "Composer, Work, Performing Artist(s)" eg "Beethoven, Symphony no 9, Bernstein/NY Philharmonic" It works like an album field in that it refers to a group of tracks, ie movements in a classical work. The fields associated with this are: [Performing Artist] [composer] [name of movement] [genre]
MC 13 could improve on this by having a default field like "Composer, Work, Performing Artist(s)", but one that has standard grammar or spacing so the result will be uniform. You want all the the Beethoven Symphony no 9's to line up together.
Listener:
--- Quote from: DBB on December 03, 2008, 03:16:22 pm ---I custom made a single field with three parts: "Composer, Work, Performing Artist(s)" eg "Beethoven, Symphony no 9, Bernstein/NY Philharmonic" It works like an album field in that it refers to a group of tracks, ie movements in a classical work. The fields associated with this are: [Performing Artist] [composer] [name of movement] [genre]
MC 13 could you improve on this by having a default field like "Composer, Work, Performing Artist(s)", but one that has standard grammar or spacing so the result will be uniform. You want all the the Beethoven Symphony no 9's to line up together.
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> You want all the the Beethoven Symphony no 9's to line up together.
In my classical music views, I just specify the sort order for files as Composer, Work name, Artist and Track # in the view. Movements appear in order and are played in order.
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I see another use for a composite field that identifies a particular performance of a work. If MC 12 is playing selections at random, I'd like to be sure that if it selects a file with the composite tag "Beethoven, Symphony no 9, Bernstein/NY Philharmonic", it plays all movements of that performance in the right order. And I don't want it to add any files corresponding to a different performance of the same work.
I've spent some time trying to figure out how to use the expression language and find it frustrating. There seems to be some special logic for ensuring that all files for a single album are played. I want to be able to specify my own tag for that sort of grouping.
Bill Hunt
DBB:
In my pane I have two columns. The first is "Composer", the next is "Composer, work, Performing Artists". Once a composer is selected, each work appears in the second vertical column without repeating. All the Beethoven Symphony no 9's come up together so I can choose the performance I want to listen to. I can then choose which Beethoven Symphony no 9 I want to listen to. When a specific "Composer, work, Performing Artists" is selected in the second vertical column, the bottom horizontal column identifies each movement.
If I understand your scheme, it seems it would repeat the name on the work 4 times, assuming 4 movements, one for each movement. Is this correct? If so isn't this too cluttered?
I don't ever listen to works using shuffle, since I tend not to listen to them as background. That would be useful if you wanted to keep the music going all day long like a radio station. Interesting.
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