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hit_ny:

--- Quote from: JimH on August 29, 2008, 01:45:36 pm ---I don't think she'll attract many Clinton supporters.

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And that's not who she is for, her job is to get the ones that think McCain is too soft, those same ones, who last time around made a decisive difference.

A round about way of doing things if you will but what to do, the man is just not strong enough in some areas   ;D

KorkyKat:
From this side of the pond, I stayed awake until 5:00a.m. to listen to Mr. Obama. I was reasonably impressed but I'll wait until I see what flesh he can put on the bone. I think he's erred too much on the side of celebrity. He's certainly no MLK. We'll see.

My ideal choice would have been John Edwards with Hillary Clinton. It would certainly have been interesting. I forecast that Chelsea Clinton will run for President one day. Alas I'll have shuffled off this mortal coil when she does.

Whoever wins, good luck to you all.

Did I mention the new Randy Newman c.d.? Flipping tremendous. One of the finest American composers, songwriters ever.

 ;D

ProblemChild:

--- Quote ---Did I mention the new Randy Newman c.d.? Flipping tremendous. One of the finest American composers, songwriters ever.
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Hey KorkyKat I have to agree. I've loved Newman ever since 'Short People' played everywhere you went and pissed everyone off - well, mostly height-challenged individuals (like myself) I guess  :). Anyway, Political Science is definitely one of my all-time favorite songs and all too apropos given this thread. Can't wait to hear the new one.

xen-uno:
I'd rather see a Libertarian such as Ron Paul win, however unlikely. We need someone that will tear government down to the core, not add to it. There is a ton of garbage and fat there that has built up over the years. I like McCain over Obama, but only if he jettisons all remnants of the Bush admin. Whoever wins need to get the US out of Iraq and dump both the Patriot Act and Homeland Security. Doing so would restore due process and reel in the FBI and other agencies who now need nothing more than a whim to spy on anyone they choose.

hit_ny:

--- Quote from: xen-uno on August 30, 2008, 08:07:16 am ---We need someone that will tear government down to the core, not add to it. There is a ton of garbage and fat there that has built up over the years.
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That's the promise but has any president to date been able to change the system ?

It sounds like a great idea but i really wonder whether ppl are willing to put up with the temporary upsets, more importantly the uncertainty in exchange for perhaps not so well defined longer term stabilty. This man is not talking about superficial stuff, he gives the impressoin about doing some major restructuring here  :o

Course it has to get through Congress ulitmately and greasing certain initiatives over others is akin to some black art. In the end he can always say he pushed but got shot down. But the dems control Congress for the moment so there a certain plausibilty for success.

This is not some CEO of a company replacing processes around the place, we are talking something much more involved, about things that have been part of the systems for decades if not longer. But like the old saying if there's the will...


--- Quote from: xen-uno on August 30, 2008, 08:07:16 am ---Whoever wins need to get the US out of Iraq...

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Haha, yes eye-Raq..scale down yes, get out...not going to happen.

They did not go there on a lark, if they were willing to pay the price of the fallout then that tells me there was a very clear strategic goal in mind. That it would be a long war fits in perfectly and i don't think that goal will change until the oil in the region runs out. Ignore the pretext given for public consumption. I see far too many ppl arguing against it when it was never the real reason to begin with.

Course the Iranian's don't like the changed scenario and are countering as they can. But it appears unlikely to be more than a war of words for some time yet for the simple reason Iran is not as weak as Iraq was in 2003, isn't a flat desert like Iraq and has an incredibly long coast line bordering the persian gulf, therefore any war would have questionable benefits over the costs. Whether its winnable isn't in question, more whether the peace can be maintained in a rather important region.

That won't stop the media  trying to make it look imminent every now & again ;)



--- Quote from: xen-uno on August 30, 2008, 08:07:16 am ---..and dump both the Patriot Act and Homeland Security.

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I think these were more a product of paranoid times, there has not been an attack since, does that mean the laws are non productive ?

I'm not arguing in the slightest for them to be kept btw as it sets a rather poor example for the free world ;)

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