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[lise]

I have People as follows:

Family
  mom
  dad
Friends
  Jim
  Pat

How can I create a smartlist that includes all 'Family' short of selecting each one in the list of People?

[gappie]

i have no 12 available at this moment. but could you make the rule people>contains>family ?
it is something that does not work in mc13, 'contains' is not an option anymore. one thing i do is making a calculated field with 'keywords' (in your case 'people') and use 'contains' on that field..

 
gab

[lise]

Thanks gappie.  I couldn't get people>contains>family to work.

And while your second solution might work, I'm not tempted to create more fields just to search my existing fields. I've just spent alot of time getting rid of fields.

JRiver folks... will there be some way to include the root of a nested field as a search term in a smartlist? If not, I'm going to undo all the nesting I just did.

[Matt]

This works, although I don't know if the Smartlist Editor will like it:
[People]=[Family],[Family\"

(means include Family and anything that starts with Family\; it could be abbreviated [People]=[Family" but this will break if you also have "Family2" defined)

[marko]

I've had problems with list fields and the smartlist editor in my bug report for some time now..
The problem is that if you try to use 'contains' the editor changes the search to 'is'...

the editor will change [people]=family to [people]=[family]

The work around is to use an expression based search:

[=isequal([people],family,8)]=1

-marko.

[gappie]

the funny thing is that if you choose custom and put there
[people]=family
it will work. until you open the smartlisteditor again, that is.

[gappie]

I'm going to undo all the nesting I just did.

well.. that is actually what im doing now with my picture tags, for people and events. i think that nesting is more frustrating in the end when the first step is just to put some items together that are the main goal (sorry, i have a bit problems explaining this wel.. but like family>bob, where it is all about bob, in my case), there are some tools missing to get something more out of it. it does make sence for me to use it in places, england>london>bigben. finding england 2009 is what i mosty am after. the rest is just extra info for when i need it. so more like specifiing the first step, which is the most important info... makes also more sense in panes and thumbviews

 
gab

[hit_ny]

How can I create a smartlist that includes all 'Family' short of selecting each one in the list of People?

[people]="Family"

[marko]

hit_ny, the problem with that, is that the smartlist editor insists upon changing [people]="family" to [people]=[family] which is something completely different entirely.

Currently, the only reliable method is to use the expression rule: [=isequal([people],family,8)]=1

-marko

[hit_ny]

Thx marko did not notice this as i was only using the search box.

[lise]

Thanks marko. That does the trick.
But now I'm finding that just typing "Andrea" in the search field yields no results: seems like I have to first expand the various nested items under People in the pane to get results.  So, no nesting for me until it becomes a bit simpler to deal with.

[gappie]

Thanks marko. That does the trick.
But now I'm finding that just typing "Andrea" in the search field yields no results: seems like I have to first expand the various nested items under People in the pane to get results.  So, no nesting for me until it becomes a bit simpler to deal with.

actualy this is one of the main improvements in 13 for me. the search in standard view is really nice and finds all those nested and not nested keywords, people etc..

[marko]

FWIW, I'm seeing the same as lise in v13.

Before a search will return items in a collapsed branch, that branch must have been opened at least once, otherwise they are not searched.
I have it on my bug list.

I'm talking about the search field given for panes in 'drop down' pane mode.

-marko

[hit_ny]

I'm finding that just typing "Andrea" in the search field yields no results: seems like I have to first expand the various nested items under People in the pane to get results.  So, no nesting for me until it becomes a bit simpler to deal with.

Hmm, i repeated that test with a nested field and it does find the nested item in a pane but MC does not expand the nest. Can't recall if that particular item had been opened at least once. Repeated with a few more items and all showed up.

Is there a bug here ?

[gappie]

Hmm, i repeated that test with a nested field and it does find the nested item in a pane but MC does not expand the nest. Can't recall if that particular item had been opened at least once. Repeated with a few more items and all showed up.

Is there a bug here ?

that is what i saw also.. was wondering if there are two different searches involved. i cant reproduce it neither using the search in the upper right corner. but i can reproduce it using the ctrl+Q  search.

[marko]

that is what i saw also.. was wondering if there are two different searches involved.

Before a search will return items in a collapsed branch, that branch must have been opened at least once, otherwise they are not searched.
I have it on my bug list.

I'm talking about the search field given for panes in 'drop down' pane mode.

-marko

[hit_ny]

It would appear the operative term here is panes in "drop down mode"