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[maid]

I have put avatar on my theater with dts sound but I am getting no sound at all.

I have cccp and coreavc filters set on spdif

Can anyone help with this sound problem??

I know that it must be the filters and I have always has a dts problem with cccp filters on spdif passthrough. I wish there was easier filters for passthrough.

Cheers

[maid]

anybody

[jmone]

Hi Maid,

It is kind of hard without more info (please post the "right click --> DirectShow Filter --> Copy Graph Info to Clipboard" when playing the file and post the results here).  You may also like to use http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en as it will tell you what is in each file.

So I'm now guessing that the files is (or was created from) the Avatar M2TS file from a Blu-ray Disk and it has a High Def DTS-MA track and that you are using the Haali splitter ... if so.... unfortunately this is a combination that does not work (Haali just ignores this track = no sound).  You can either use the DD track that is (may be) also present (on the original M2TS file) OR if you don't have any other track change the Splitter from Haali to MPC (see pic) and it should then work.  

Note: by using SPDIF you will never get the full HD Sound, just the lossy "core" from the DTS-MA track

EDIT - I'm not sure if CCCP has the MPC Filter so I have attached it from the one I use (sorry don't know a D'Load Link) but you will need to use the following command from an Elevated Command Prompt to register the filter before MC will see it:

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REGSVR32.EXE "MpegSplitter.ax"

[maid]

Thank you for your help.



Filter Graph Info:

    Filter 'Enhanced Video Renderer'
        CLSID: {FA10746C-9B63-4B6C-BC49-FC300EA5F256}
        Host: c:\windows\system32\evr.dll
        Input Pin 'EVR Input0'
            Connected to pin 'Output' of filter 'CoreAVC Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
        Input Pin 'EVR Input1'

    Filter 'CoreAVC Video Decoder'
        CLSID: {09571A4B-F1FE-4C60-9760-DE6D310C7C31}
        Host: c:\program files\corecodec\coreavc professional edition\coreavcdecoder.ax
        Input Pin 'Input'
            Connected to pin 'Video' of filter 'V:\Movies\Avatar.ts'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
        Output Pin 'Output'
            Connected to pin 'EVR Input0' of filter 'Enhanced Video Renderer'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YV12, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2

    Filter 'V:\Movies\Avatar.ts'
        CLSID: {55DA30FC-F16B-49FC-BAA5-AE59FC65F82D}
        Host: c:\program files\haali\matroskasplitter\splitter.ax
        Output Pin 'Video'
            Connected to pin 'Input' of filter 'CoreAVC Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO

I have tried switching the filters around, still no sound.

If I dont use spdif how else would I set it up.

We though spdif was the best.

[jmone]

OK - Haali is not presenting any Audio Stream at all but I'm still guessing that it is a DTS-MA (You may also like to use http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en as it will tell you what is in each file) and if so you will need to use another splitter (eg the MPC one I posted above).

Thanks
Nathan

FYI: S/PDIF is an older standard designed to support up to 2.0ch PCM and 5.1ch DTS/DD (as this was the most common format for Music and Video respectively a decade ago).  It does can not pass other formats such as a decoded 5.1 PCM streams or bitstream DTS-HD/TrueHD which will require an HDMI connection.  The only other way is to decode everthing to PCM and use the Analogue outs but this is another topic (and a favorite of Matt!)

[maid]

MMM I dont think our Kenwood has hdmi.

We currently have hdmi from the computer to the tv.

Cheers

[jmone]

Don't let me confuse the issue on HDMI for now (you can look at it later).  You should be able to get the lossy core of the DTS-HD extracted (by the Splitter / Souce Filter) then sent over SPDIF to your Kenwood.  I'm still guessing (till we know what the Audio Stream really is) but if my guess is correct you will need to change the Haali Splitter for the MPC one (it's a bug in Haali).

[maid]

ok the audio is DTS according to medi info.

I have set JRiver video engine, MPC FLV gabest, other filters ? Enhanced video Renderer.

I would like more info about my set up as the stereo has 5.1 inputs or spdif connection no hdmi.

Do I need a new stereo???

[jmone]

There are two separate Issues:

1) Getting sound from your Avatar File:  You should be able to do this - Have a look at the PIC below and confirm that you have a DTS-MA Track (example cirled in red).  If so you will need to change the "Source Filter" from Haali to MPC (see second Pic) and leave the "Other Filters" to what you had previously for now (FFDSHOW for Audio and CoreAVC for Video I "think" they were).  If you do not see "MPC - Mpeg Source (Gabest)" in the Drop Down box for Source Filter you will need to REGISTER the file as per my post above with the file I attached (It is the MPC - Mpeg Source (Gabest) file).  Couple of notes that may help the understanding of what different types of filters do:
* Source or Splitter Filters:  They read the source file and split out from that the Video, Audio, Subtitle, Chapters are various streams and hand them to the next filter in the list:
* Decoders:  Things like FFDSHOW and CoreAVC are decoders that can accept certain streams (Audio, Video etc) from the Source Filter and they decode them then hand it to the next filter in the list:
* Renderers:  They take the decoded Audio or Video stream and interface with the hardware that is going to make it Audible or Visible

Your issue (I think) is that the Haali Source splitter does not know what the DTS-MA Audio track is in the TS file so is ignoring it.  FFDSHOW is not even getting a change to try to decode it.

2) Getting High Def Sound:  This is really for another thread, but you have two basic options:
a) Everthing has a Modern HDMI connection, then you can use the to either bitstream the HD Codecs (like DTS-HD MA, or TrueHD) and pass the decoded LPCM (eg 5.1 pcm).  Depending on what you want to do then certain equipment needs to be used, particularly the Graphics Card (eg I use an ATI HD5450, as it is cheap, quite, and will both bitstream HD codecs and pass PCM).  You will then need a receiver/amp that can accept the format (most new ones will)
b) Decode it all on the PC and sent it out via your analogue ports to the multi channel in on the Reciver (if you have it).  I'd not do this but Matt is very keen on this approach. 

If you want to discuss how to get High Def Sound, I'd start another thread.

Thanks
Nathan

[maid]

Hi again,

sorry to be such a newb.

I tried the filters you suggested but could not find MPC one you suggested only the MPC FLV gabest one.

I have downloaded the one you kindly sent but do not know how to instal it.

Cheers

[jmone]

You need to register the file with the following command from a Elevated Command Prompt before MC will see it.  Copy the MpegSplitter.ax to some folder where you will keep it, eg "C:\FILTERS", then follow these steps to register it (have a look at the first pic)
1) Click on the ORB
2) type "cmd" in the box,
3) after a short while you will see under programs "cmd.exe" appear
4) right click on it and from the menu select "Run as administrator"

Press "OK" if asked by the UAC popup.

You will now see a black box like in the second pic.
1) Type in "REGSVR32.EXE c:\filters\MpegSplitter.ax" without the quotes and press enter
2) You should see a Msg saying it succeeded

You can now close this windows and MC will now see and be able to use this filter.

Thanks
Nathan

[maid]

Thanks I now have sound but no picture.

It is not picking up the ffdshow video codec.

[jmone]

Post your filter info again - I note that you were using CoreAVC last time so add that to your Filter list

[maid]

Added coreavc still no pic.

Filter Graph Info:

    Filter 'Default DirectSound Device'
        CLSID: {79376820-07D0-11CF-A24D-0020AFD79767}
        Host: c:\windows\system32\quartz.dll
        Input Pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)'
            Connected to pin 'Out' of filter 'ffdshow Audio Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'ffdshow Audio Decoder'
        CLSID: {0F40E1E5-4F79-4988-B1A9-CC98794E6B55}
        Host: c:\program files\combined community codec pack\filters\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
        Output Pin 'Out'
            Connected to pin 'Audio Input pin (rendered)' of filter 'Default DirectSound Device'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Audio - DTS-HD Master Audio, 48.0 kHz, 6 chn, 1509.8 kbit/s (1100,fd,00)' of filter 'MPC - Mpeg Source (Gabest)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DTS, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'MPC - Mpeg Source (Gabest)'
        CLSID: {1365BE7A-C86A-473C-9A41-C0A6E82C9FA3}
        Host: c:\windows\system32\mpegsplitter.ax
        Output Pin 'Audio - DTS-HD Master Audio, 48.0 kHz, 6 chn, 1509.8 kbit/s (1100,fd,00)'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'ffdshow Audio Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DTS, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

[jmone]

What fun!  Can you pls list what you have selected in MC's config box for TS files:
Souce Filters
Other Filters
Video Renderer

[jmone]

FYI - Here is my filter info with MPC as the source, FFDSHOW for both Video and Audio

Filter Graph Info:

    Filter 'DirectSound: Speakers (2- High Definition Audio Device)'
        CLSID: {79376820-07D0-11CF-A24D-0020AFD79767}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\reclock\reclockds.dll
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Out' of filter 'ffdshow Audio Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx

    Filter 'Enhanced Video Renderer'
        CLSID: {FA10746C-9B63-4B6C-BC49-FC300EA5F256}
        Host: c:\windows\syswow64\evr.dll
        Input Pin 'EVR Input0'
            Connected to pin 'Out' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YUY2, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
        Input Pin 'EVR Input1'

    Filter 'ffdshow Audio Decoder'
        CLSID: {0F40E1E5-4F79-4988-B1A9-CC98794E6B55}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
        Output Pin 'Out'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'DirectSound: Speakers (2- High Definition Audio Device)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_PCM, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Audio - English, DTS-HD Master Audio, 48.0 kHz, 6 chn, 1509.8 kbit/s (1100,fd,00)' of filter 'MPC - Mpeg Source (Gabest)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DTS, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Input Pin 'In2'

    Filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
        CLSID: {04FE9017-F873-410E-871E-AB91661A4EF7}
        Host: c:\program files (x86)\ffdshow\ffdshow.ax
        Input Pin 'In'
            Connected to pin 'Video - AVC (H.264), High Profile, Level 4.1, 1920x1080, 23.976 fps (1011,e0,00)' of filter 'MPC - Mpeg Source (Gabest)'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
        Output Pin 'Out'
            Connected to pin 'EVR Input0' of filter 'Enhanced Video Renderer'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_YUY2, Format type FORMAT_VideoInfo2
        Input Pin 'In Text'
            Connected to pin 'No subtitles' of filter 'MPC - Mpeg Source (Gabest)'
            Major type Unknown GUID Name: {E487EB08-6B26-4BE9-9DD3-993434D313FD}  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {04EBA53E-9330-436C-9133-553EC87031DC}, Format type FORMAT_None
        Input Pin 'In Text 2'

    Filter 'MPC - Mpeg Source (Gabest)'
        CLSID: {1365BE7A-C86A-473C-9A41-C0A6E82C9FA3}
        Host: c:\filters\mpegsplitter.ax
        Output Pin 'Video - AVC (H.264), High Profile, Level 4.1, 1920x1080, 23.976 fps (1011,e0,00)'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Video  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {31435641-0000-0010-8000-00AA00389B71}, Format type FORMAT_MPEG2_VIDEO
        Output Pin 'Audio - English, DTS-HD Master Audio, 48.0 kHz, 6 chn, 1509.8 kbit/s (1100,fd,00)'
            Connected to pin 'In' of filter 'ffdshow Audio Decoder'
            Major type MEDIATYPE_Audio  Sub type MEDIASUBTYPE_DTS, Format type FORMAT_WaveFormatEx
        Output Pin 'No subtitles'
            Connected to pin 'In Text' of filter 'ffdshow Video Decoder'
            Major type Unknown GUID Name: {E487EB08-6B26-4BE9-9DD3-993434D313FD}  Sub type Unknown GUID Name: {04EBA53E-9330-436C-9133-553EC87031DC}, Format type FORMAT_None

[maid]

Hello sorry to do this but we have switched to 5.1 output and now we have neither audio or video

Cheers

[jmone]

So what are you getting sound from at all:
- Music Files / CD's
- Any Video

Make sure you now change all your S/PDIF settings to Speakers - eg see pic for MC

[maid]

We are getting perfect sound from all video mkv avi and mp3 songs just not the avatar ts file. no video or sound

[jmone]

Can you pls list what you have selected in MC's config box for TS files:
Souce Filters
Other Filters
Video Renderer

Edit: Check your FFDSHOW config so that it is not trying to passthrough the bitstream (see Pic)

[maid]

I have now got sound but no video

Source filter MPC - Mpeg Source (Gabest)
Other filters ffdshow Video Decode ffdshow audio and core avc
Video renderer Enhanced video renderer

but I have tried others

[fitbrit]

Can I ask how you got this Avatar file? If you have the disk and ripped it yourself, you may want to consider making an mkv of it. Or get one of the many excellent 720p / 1080p torrent downloads available, if that's legal in your country.

[maid]

I did want the full BD rip as I thought the quality would be better.But trying to get this to play is like pulling teeth.

[fitbrit]

I did want the full BD rip as I thought the quality would be better.But trying to get this to play is like pulling teeth.

The 1080p Flawless rip is 20+ GB and is flawless with DTS-HD MA sound and perfect video too.

[maid]

I have found a 1080p DTS HD MA 5.1 17.9G

[fitbrit]

I have found a 1080p DTS HD MA 5.1 17.9G

That's ging to be good, but there are two better ones - one with DTS and one with DTS-HD MA, both over 20 GB I think.

[maid]

any hints where???

[fitbrit]

I'm sure you'll be very happy with the 17 Gb version.