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audiodoc

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New to MC - Questions - Suggestions - Thanx
« on: July 01, 2011, 02:15:00 pm »

Hi,

Just installed and setup MC16 on my new media server. Using Xonar D2/PM card, was not able to use ASIO without "clicks and pop." Both "Direct" and "Wave Out" work fine.

My questions are related to the best setup for maximum fidelity. Taking S/PDIF coax out directly into a true digital amplifier.

My current set up is as follows:

1) AUDIO OUT: Wave Out

2) OUTPUT MODE SETTING: S/PDIF pass thru (instead of wave mapper)

3) PLAYBACK FROM MEMORY (is 4GB DRAM sufficient? Is more better?)

4) PREBUFFERING: 6 seconds (recommended) (Is more better?)

5) Do I need clip protection? (All files are ripped using dbPoweramp, which uses volume presets in the rip.) Playback levels are in the 35-50% range.

6) Why is JRSS v2.0 a better setting than "NO UP/DOWN CONVERTING"?

Thanks for your input.

audiodoc
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Re: New to MC - Questions - Suggestions - Thanx
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2011, 03:25:55 pm »

I don't have the time to reply to everything in detail (I might come back later, but I'm not an expert at the high-end audio settings), but...  For Audio Out, you'll probably have the best results with WASAPI (either Event Style or Regular, whichever works right with your hardware/drivers) if ASIO doesn't work right (common with consumer cards like the Xonar).  WASAPI is bit-perfect when in exclusive mode (the default), so the drivers and or Windows won't get in the way and mess with your audio output.  This should work with the Xonar.  Try it out.

Direct Sound and Wave Out are both NOT bit-perfect settings.  They go through the "normal" Windows sound system.

JRSS is a very high-quality and flexible up/down-mixing system, similar to Dolby Pro Logic or DTS Neo 6, but with far more capabilities.  Primarily, it is used to expand stereo sound to 5.1 or 7.1 (or whatever) surround sound.  So, if enabled and set to 5.1 channels, it will upmix your stereo music to surround.  However, one other handy use for it is to downmix multichannel sound (like Dolby Digital or DTS-MA) from a DVD/BluRay/MKV/MP4/whatever to a smaller set of channels (like 2.0 or 2.1).  This is handy because normally if you play a video with AC3 5.1 audio on a system that only has stereo outs, you can miss a LOT of the audio, particularly the center channel (which can make it hard to hear dialog).

JRSS has a sophisticated system for mixing these things up and down, without otherwise corrupting the audio (and Matt puts particular care into ensuring that it doesn't cause the channels to clip or needlessly distort).  The audio path inside MC is fully 64-bit, so this processing can be done with a very high degree of fidelity.

I, personally, find that it does an AMAZING job upmixing stereo music to 5.1 surround.  For movies, I can't decide if I like JRSS better or the DTS Neo 6 setting on my receiver better, and I keep switching back and forth (JRSS is easily superior to ProLogic's default settings in my opinion).  Otherwise, for video playback, if you are going to just be connected via SPDIF, you'll want to enable Bitstreaming under Options -> Video (if you are connected via HDMI, it is debatable whether you should bitstream or not, but for SPDIF, you almost certainly do want to bitstream video tracks when possible).

Depending on your settings, you can enable it for JUST music, or for both music and video (the default):

If you want to enable JRSS for everything, just enable it in the DSP and it'll automatically work when you play a video back with only stereo audio.
If you want to enable JRSS for music only, and let the receiver deal with expanding stereo audio for video content, then set Options -> Video -> Advanced -> Audio Playback device to point directly to your Xonar, rather than the default "same as audio" setting.
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Re: New to MC - Questions - Suggestions - Thanx
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2011, 03:30:10 pm »

PS.  WASAPI is only available with Vista or newer.  If you are on XP, and ASIO doesn't work, you might be stuck with Direct Sound (unless you can get ASIO or Kernel Streaming working, but they can be fiddly).
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Re: New to MC - Questions - Suggestions - Thanx
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2011, 04:53:47 pm »

Thanks, guys, for replying.

I tried the WASAPI and, after tweaking a few parameters in Windows 7 and in the Xonar software, I was able to establish a direct, bit-perfect signal path (Windows volume is set at 99, and the DSP and volume bypassed on the sound card).

4GB of RAM seems to be more than enough memory. Enabling playback thru memory only uses a max. of 256MB of RAM, so the system and MC have more than enough memory to run unimpeded.

As for the remaining settings, I'll just play around and see what happens.

Thanks again!
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Re: New to MC - Questions - Suggestions - Thanx
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2011, 03:34:43 pm »

I have a fairly new laptop running Windows 7.  I have two external DACs.  However, I continue to get error messages when I use any output mode other than waveout or direct.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Greg
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Re: New to MC - Questions - Suggestions - Thanx
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2011, 10:37:42 pm »

Hi Greg,

How are you connected to your dac(s)? Are they USB Dacs?

Make sure you have the correct device selected in audio options and make sure your dacs are setup properly prior to MC (some USB dacs need drivers). Also make sure that MC output,  ie sample rate and bit rate match what your dac can handle.

-Chris

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