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rick.ca:

--- Quote from: nevcairiel on October 17, 2011, 06:27:24 am ---If Carnac just listens to the users folder naming, i would see this as the responsibility of the user to either rename the folder, or adjust the tagging.
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The logic of this doesn't seem very appealing to me. We're going to have to use file pathnames that contain the exact series title TheTVDb uses so Carnac can recognize the correct value. How is it, exactly, that Carnac is helping me? And what if I want to use a second source that uses a different title for the series (e.g., one uses country to distinguish a title, while another uses year)? And why should I have to name it "The Office (US)" when AFAIC it's "The Office"? All these compromises for the sake of avoiding the simple solution of allowing the user to specify/override the source reference. It will only lead to more user confusion and frustration.

Hendrik:
Who said anything about avoiding any solution?

I was just saying that i would prefer if Carnac would simply get that information from my folder layout if possible, because it happens to match how TheTVDB names it.
No reason not to offer a override button in case it still goes wrong for some reason.

PS:
While its true that the show is named "The Office", the suffixes mentioned earlier are kind of "standard" on the web when there is a collision. There hasn't been a mix up of country and year tags yet, because most of the time its pretty straight forward. If the shows are running in parallel in different countrys, they get the country tag, if its a show that just has the same name as another show which aired years ago, it gets a year tag. TV companies are usually smart enough not to re-use names of already running shows - unless its the same show styled for a different country like Top Gear or The Office are.

PPS:
If anything, the UK version deserves to be called "The Office", because thats the original. :p

MrHaugen:

--- Quote from: rick.ca on October 17, 2011, 03:17:39 pm ---The logic of this doesn't seem very appealing to me. We're going to have to use file pathnames that contain the exact series title TheTVDb uses so Carnac can recognize the correct value. How is it, exactly, that Carnac is helping me? And what if I want to use a second source that uses a different title for the series (e.g., one uses country to distinguish a title, while another uses year)? And why should I have to name it "The Office (US)" when AFAIC it's "The Office"? All these compromises for the sake of avoiding the simple solution of allowing the user to specify/override the source reference. It will only lead to more user confusion and frustration.

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I do agree. However, JRiver is very determined to make this work out of the box and to get a solution that does most things automagically for normal users. When that is completed, let's hope they will give us some alternatives to download metadata and give us some options in the matter. A solution of changing the path ONE place might be a worthy alternative to getting it to work for most users I think.

rick.ca:

--- Quote ---When that is completed, let's hope they will give us some alternatives to download metadata and give us some options in the matter. A solution of changing the path ONE place might be a worthy alternative to getting it to work for most users I think.
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This is not a matter of options and alternatives. It's about designing an effective system that's as automatic as possible.  When users have to do things like rename their files so the "automatic" system works, what you've got is not "automagic," it's an annoying PITA. Recording and making the source reference user-configurable not only provides the user with an intuitive and easy fix for the "exceptions" the automatic system doesn't handle correctly, it provides the user with useful flexibility. For example, the automatic system may work correctly if the series is named "The Office (UK)," but if the user would rather use "The Office" they can do so (and simply set the source reference with that for the correct version).

This is also not about providing the greater flexibility demanded by more advanced users. When the supposedly fully-automatic out-of-the-box system fails in some cases, it's the new user who is lost and confused. The rest of us will find some workaround. An automatic system that works perfectly 90% of the time will be wonderful. But we'll all need a straightforward way to handle the other 10%.

leezer3:

--- Quote from: Matt on October 16, 2011, 09:17:55 am ---TV images come from TheTVDB.  It shows the wrong 'The Office's for me.  I'm not sure how to solve this.

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How about storing the TVDB series ID from when you grab the metadata, and then calculating searches from this?
Won't work for live TV or untagged files, but a decent start :)

-Leezer-

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