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Hendrik:
rick,

its not about replacing such an override, its only about detecting data which is already there. IF my folder is already named like that, why not use it?
If its not, i can still have the option to either rename it, or use some functionality in MC to override the lookup from TheTVDB.

MrHaugen:

--- Quote from: leezer3 on October 17, 2011, 05:36:21 pm ---How about storing the TVDB series ID from when you grab the metadata, and then calculating searches from this?
Won't work for live TV or untagged files, but a decent start :)

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Not a bad idea. Online show ID's could be used for different sources as well. Now we should have a user editable field called thetvdbShowID, and we could simply override it by editing the number. I think however, that the logic could be there to pick up the (country) or (year) tag in the directory or filename anyway, to simplify things for new users.

rick.ca:

--- Quote from: nevcairiel on October 18, 2011, 01:04:07 am ---its not about replacing such an override, its only about detecting data which is already there.
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If you would review the thread, you'll see my original comment was in response to Matt's comment he was unsure about what to do in the case the series was not correctly identified. My point was he need not worry about that beyond getting it right most of time since the system needs a user override for such things anyway. I was primarily addressing MrHaugen's suggestion that would not be needed. I didn't even remotely imply the system should not attempt to get the information automatically. That's why I called it an "override."

A useful configuration dialog for this system would include a link to the web page of the item identified. That's what a user is normally going to have to see to understand why the correct information is not being retrieved. While there, they're probably going to find the correct version (e.g., searching for "The Office" to see why it didn't work). From there, the easy fix is to copy the correct reference and paste it into the configuration. Expecting an inexperienced user to understand what has gone wrong and change a file pathname in a way that works is asking too much.


--- Quote from: MrHaugen on October 18, 2011, 02:51:34 am ---Not a bad idea. Online show ID's could be used for different sources as well.
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Apart from what I've already suggested, this might be a good thing to do if it obviates the need for a search each time an episode is added or the data is updated. The system would get the series from the filename, match that to an existing series in the library, and then use the ID to find the data. In the case of a new series or one for which no ID is recorded, it would search the source using the title. But as this relates to what we been talking about—the system automatically identifying the series and retrieving the meta data—this is not going to help. The user will have to provide the information if the identification fails.

MrHaugen:

--- Quote from: rick.ca on October 18, 2011, 03:33:17 am ---A useful configuration dialog for this system would include a link to the web page of the item identified. That's what a user is normally going to have to see to understand why the correct information is not being retrieved. While there, they're probably going to find the correct version (e.g., searching for "The Office" to see why it didn't work). From there, the easy fix is to copy the correct reference and paste it into the configuration. Expecting an inexperienced user to understand what has gone wrong and change a file pathname in a way that works is asking too much.

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We're talking about two different things. Matt (and Jim) is interested in a way to do most things automatically, obviously. I hope that is just the basis, and that we can evolve this with metadata scraping and some configuration as Rick is suggesting. But the basis here should be that things like this is recognized most of the time. There are some of us that have differentiated TV Shows with year and country tags already, so why should we not take advantage of that?? It's as easy as reading the directory tag or file tags ONCE to get a match to a Series ID, and from there it's as easy as using the ID. I can not for the life of me see that this should be a problem. And while we wait for this super metadata scraping system, we CAN tell the users to use the explorer in MC and rename the Series directory with (year) or (country) to fix the problem. It's a good default solution, and a temporary fix for those few that have a problem getting correct slideshows for TV Shows.

As usual I agree with your long term plans for this, but this is the initial media categorizing called Carnac. Not a full fledged scraping system. At least not yet, as I've been told

struct:

Just adding 2c...

mr.haugen,

rick's concerns are extremely valid and important, and it's relevance can't be too far away.  the current goals for carnac may be very simply as you are suggesting, but if it stops there it is next to useless as we will still be using sickbeard or pvd to get all of the other information from thetvdb.  Both of these already do the carnac regex (and much more).

Surely for MC17 it has to be a goal for MC to replace sickbeard's basic lookup, rename, screenshot, show poster, and sidecar.xml file generation?

when mc does start to get more info from thetvdb (I presume this is a near term goal) we are going to need some user interaction and an ability to overide/change a series id.  this can come both from the regex not picking up an oddity, but also the user not realizing there are 4 different Dr. Who series upon their first import.

It seems to me that a simple key being thetvdb id is necessary and must be user accessible.  we want to be able to change that one key on a selection of files and ask MC17 to update tags (preferrable a bullet list of selectable tags just in case we have some that we don't want overwritten), rename the files (e.g. Dr Who (2005) - S01E05 - Episode name), get screenshots, get show and season posters, etc.  Going back to explorer to change names is back to front (not to say that it is not ok in the very short term).
 
The same idea applies to movies, to some extent.  Once I have selected what the movie id is on themoviedb or imdb, MC should use this for lookups on the other databases. 


Craig

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